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Quite a large population in the the world lives at place where fishes aren't available. So is it possible some people don't really need fish oil for well-being

by choot 8y ago

Quite a large population in the the world lives at place where fishes aren't available. So is it possible some people don't really need fish oil for well-being? Evolution might have rendered eating fish useless for these people.

lustysocietyorg 8y ago
Yes, absolutely. Fish oil is not needed at all. The EPA and DHA in fish was initially produced by algae anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid The 2 essential fatty acids are: - alpha-linolenic acid (ALA, an omega-3 fatty acid). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-Linolenic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-Linolenic_acid - linoleic acid (LA, an omega-6 fatty acid). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linoleic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linoleic_acid Linseed oil (flaxseed oil) is a good provider of essential fatty acids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linseed_oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linseed_oil EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) or DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) are conditionally essential fatty acids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid#Conditionally_essential https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid#Condition... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eicosapentaenoic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eicosapentaenoic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docosahexaenoic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docosahexaenoic_acid Experts recommend a vegan diet against heart disease and cancer. E.g. http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/?i=2&from=/27886704/related https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/?i=2&from=/27... https://www.eatright.org/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-special-diets/feeding-vegetarian-and-vegan-infants-and-toddlers https://www.eatright.org/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-speci... https://lustysociety.org/diet.html https://lustysociety.org/diet.html
- agsdfgsd 8y ago
  >Fish oil is not needed at all. The EPA and DHA in fish was initially produced by algae anyway People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae. >The 2 essential fatty acids are It is worth noting that there is basically no evidence that those 2 fatty acids are actually essential. A single study done in the 1930s is the basis for that belief. A study in which rats fed no fat got symptoms we now would consider indicative of vitamin B6 deficiency. This study was done prior to the discovery of vitamin B6. Although adding "essential" omega 6 fatty acids alleviated the rat's symptoms, later studies were able to alleviate the symptoms using vitamin B6 while the rats continued to receive absolutely no fats. >Linseed oil (flaxseed oil) is a good provider of essential fatty acids And linseed oil consumption is correlated with an increase in all cause mortality. >Experts recommend a vegan diet against heart disease and cancer. Experts recommend all sorts of things that contradict evidence. Like taking statins even though they increase mortality. Or switching from perfectly safe saturated fats to "heart healthy" trans fats even though it increases mortality. Or once trans fats were too obviously bad they simply changed their recommendation to "polyunsaturated fats" which are also correlated with increased mortality.
  - lustysocietyorg 8y ago
    > People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae. The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish. EPA and DHA can be bought in vegan form. EPA and DHA are not even considered as essential fatty acids. Unlike ALA and LA. I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. If you have one, please link it. I would like to know. > And linseed oil consumption is correlated with an increase in all cause mortality. Link please. > Or switching from perfectly safe saturated fats to "heart healthy" trans fats even though it increases mortality. What are you talking about ? Are yout talking about margerine and butter ? But I agree that many so called experts are not experts. Many organizations and in particular government organizations (e.g. EPA and FDA in the USA) affected by politicians are very prone to corruption and pleasing corrupting lobby groups like the food industry and the military industry and the fossil fuel industry. But some truth is known in 2018. https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDlnwypJFfMYH8Vm https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDln...
    - agsdfgsd 8y ago
      >The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to, which was wondering aloud about human adaptation to the availability of fish. The availability of algae is the same as the availability of fish. >I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. Have you seen one that shows it is? Because there are none. >Link please. I can't find the original study, just people talking about it. They gave up on the original premise as the linseed oil was killing people instead of making them healthy, so they ended up reporting on smoking and blood pressure. https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause-death-men-examined-medical-check-ups-1964#reference-6 https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause... >But some truth is known in 2018. But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. We are not like carnivores. We are, 100% without any question, omnivores. Read literally any text on mammology, there is no debate, no controversy, no ambiguity. Poor studies like the adventist study vegan advocates like to cite may show benefits when they don't control for anything else. But properly defined and conducted trials show veganism is not associated with lower mortality: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/
Matumio 8y ago
Evolution might just have found a way to get people to reproduce before the lack becomes a problem. Most certainly it didn't optimize for age 60 and beyond.

by choot 8y ago

lustysocietyorg 8y ago

Yes, absolutely. Fish oil is not needed at all. The EPA and DHA in fish was initially produced by algae anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid The 2 essential fatty acids are: - alpha-linolenic acid (ALA, an omega-3 fatty acid). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-Linolenic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-Linolenic_acid - linoleic acid (LA, an omega-6 fatty acid). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linoleic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linoleic_acid Linseed oil (flaxseed oil) is a good provider of essential fatty acids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linseed_oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linseed_oil EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) or DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) are conditionally essential fatty acids. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid#Conditionally_essential https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid#Condition... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eicosapentaenoic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eicosapentaenoic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docosahexaenoic_acid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docosahexaenoic_acid Experts recommend a vegan diet against heart disease and cancer. E.g. http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/?i=2&from=/27886704/related https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/?i=2&from=/27... https://www.eatright.org/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-special-diets/feeding-vegetarian-and-vegan-infants-and-toddlers https://www.eatright.org/food/nutrition/vegetarian-and-speci... https://lustysociety.org/diet.html https://lustysociety.org/diet.html

agsdfgsd 8y ago
>Fish oil is not needed at all. The EPA and DHA in fish was initially produced by algae anyway People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae. >The 2 essential fatty acids are It is worth noting that there is basically no evidence that those 2 fatty acids are actually essential. A single study done in the 1930s is the basis for that belief. A study in which rats fed no fat got symptoms we now would consider indicative of vitamin B6 deficiency. This study was done prior to the discovery of vitamin B6. Although adding "essential" omega 6 fatty acids alleviated the rat's symptoms, later studies were able to alleviate the symptoms using vitamin B6 while the rats continued to receive absolutely no fats. >Linseed oil (flaxseed oil) is a good provider of essential fatty acids And linseed oil consumption is correlated with an increase in all cause mortality. >Experts recommend a vegan diet against heart disease and cancer. Experts recommend all sorts of things that contradict evidence. Like taking statins even though they increase mortality. Or switching from perfectly safe saturated fats to "heart healthy" trans fats even though it increases mortality. Or once trans fats were too obviously bad they simply changed their recommendation to "polyunsaturated fats" which are also correlated with increased mortality.
- lustysocietyorg 8y ago
  > People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae. The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish. EPA and DHA can be bought in vegan form. EPA and DHA are not even considered as essential fatty acids. Unlike ALA and LA. I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. If you have one, please link it. I would like to know. > And linseed oil consumption is correlated with an increase in all cause mortality. Link please. > Or switching from perfectly safe saturated fats to "heart healthy" trans fats even though it increases mortality. What are you talking about ? Are yout talking about margerine and butter ? But I agree that many so called experts are not experts. Many organizations and in particular government organizations (e.g. EPA and FDA in the USA) affected by politicians are very prone to corruption and pleasing corrupting lobby groups like the food industry and the military industry and the fossil fuel industry. But some truth is known in 2018. https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDlnwypJFfMYH8Vm https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDln...
  - agsdfgsd 8y ago
    >The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to, which was wondering aloud about human adaptation to the availability of fish. The availability of algae is the same as the availability of fish. >I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. Have you seen one that shows it is? Because there are none. >Link please. I can't find the original study, just people talking about it. They gave up on the original premise as the linseed oil was killing people instead of making them healthy, so they ended up reporting on smoking and blood pressure. https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause-death-men-examined-medical-check-ups-1964#reference-6 https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause... >But some truth is known in 2018. But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. We are not like carnivores. We are, 100% without any question, omnivores. Read literally any text on mammology, there is no debate, no controversy, no ambiguity. Poor studies like the adventist study vegan advocates like to cite may show benefits when they don't control for anything else. But properly defined and conducted trials show veganism is not associated with lower mortality: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/

Matumio 8y ago

Evolution might just have found a way to get people to reproduce before the lack becomes a problem. Most certainly it didn't optimize for age 60 and beyond.