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My understanding is that Apple pairs the individual hard drive in any given unit with the "Secure Enclave" that they use for TouchID within the same unit. So th

My understanding is that Apple pairs the individual hard drive in any given unit with the "Secure Enclave" that they use for TouchID within the same unit. So they are paired and one cannot be replaced without also replacing the other. Not excusing it, just explaining.

adgasf 8y ago
Ideal solution would be small secure enclave storage for keys then user-upgradable main storage encrypted with those keys.
- xienze 8y ago
  Of course, but then how could you charge 2-3x for storage upgrades that way? Edit: wow, really struck a nerve there. I take it back, Apple is in no way motivated to massively overcharge for storage upgrades.
  - TremendousJudge 8y ago
    Console manufacturers never seem to have any issue with it, and hard drives are user upgradable
    - mbel 8y ago
      Console manufacturers have a different revenue model. They get money from games sold for their platform, this allows them to sell hardware with low margin or even at loss.
      - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
        Is this not the idea behind the Mac App Store?
        mcphage 8y ago
        Not really, no. Most of Apple's money comes from hardware sales.
        giobox 8y ago
        “Services”, as apple like to call the heading they report App Store revenue under, is largely the fastest growing thing at Apple. While historically it’s true Apple has made its money on high margin hardware, the future growth seems much, much more reliant on services. I wouldn’t be so quick to discount the increasing importance of service revenue such as the app stores to Apple.
    - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
      Has that changed in the current generation? On the XBox 360, you could physically stick any standard IDE drive in the drive bay, but the console wouldn't mount it unless it had a hidden file verifying that it was purchased from Microsoft, which charged well over market value.
      - cvwright 8y ago
        IIRC they were also using a clever (sneaky) application of copyright law to enforce this. They used a few special sectors on the disk to store an image to which they hold the copyright. The Xbox checks to make sure the image is there in the right spot before it will use the drive. So you can't pass off another drive as valid without violating their copyright.
        LgWoodenBadger 8y ago
        That was tried with early video game consoles, and did not succeed legally.
tinus_hn 8y ago
There is no Touch ID on the Mac Mini.
- bengale 8y ago
  It still has a T2 chip.
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OskarS 8y ago
That does make more sense than the size thing. Still wish Apple didn't do it, but that's a better excuse.

adgasf 8y ago

Ideal solution would be small secure enclave storage for keys then user-upgradable main storage encrypted with those keys.

xienze 8y ago
Of course, but then how could you charge 2-3x for storage upgrades that way? Edit: wow, really struck a nerve there. I take it back, Apple is in no way motivated to massively overcharge for storage upgrades.
- TremendousJudge 8y ago
  Console manufacturers never seem to have any issue with it, and hard drives are user upgradable
  - mbel 8y ago
    Console manufacturers have a different revenue model. They get money from games sold for their platform, this allows them to sell hardware with low margin or even at loss.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      Is this not the idea behind the Mac App Store?
      - mcphage 8y ago
        Not really, no. Most of Apple's money comes from hardware sales.
        giobox 8y ago
        “Services”, as apple like to call the heading they report App Store revenue under, is largely the fastest growing thing at Apple. While historically it’s true Apple has made its money on high margin hardware, the future growth seems much, much more reliant on services. I wouldn’t be so quick to discount the increasing importance of service revenue such as the app stores to Apple.
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    Has that changed in the current generation? On the XBox 360, you could physically stick any standard IDE drive in the drive bay, but the console wouldn't mount it unless it had a hidden file verifying that it was purchased from Microsoft, which charged well over market value.
    - cvwright 8y ago
      IIRC they were also using a clever (sneaky) application of copyright law to enforce this. They used a few special sectors on the disk to store an image to which they hold the copyright. The Xbox checks to make sure the image is there in the right spot before it will use the drive. So you can't pass off another drive as valid without violating their copyright.
      - LgWoodenBadger 8y ago
        That was tried with early video game consoles, and did not succeed legally.

tinus_hn 8y ago

There is no Touch ID on the Mac Mini.

bengale 8y ago
It still has a T2 chip.

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OskarS 8y ago

That does make more sense than the size thing. Still wish Apple didn't do it, but that's a better excuse.