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The hardware is identical. Does AWS have better support? Only if you pay. At 100% markup you can replicate everything 10x at Hetzner and still be ahead...

coder543 8y ago
a 100% markup = 2x cost, not 10x cost, right? But it's not necessarily about the hardware of a single server. I know nothing about Hetzner. I know that AWS puts a ton of thought and money into their networking and power infrastructure, but how trustworthy is {random competitor}'s infrastructure? Is there a catch with Hetzer, or how are they this cheap? I have a lot of experience with DigitalOcean's services. If they offered bare metal, that would be cool, as whitepoplar said. Packet is a bare-metal AWS competitor that I know a lot more about and trust quite a bit. None of this means you're going to trust my experiences.
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whitepoplar 8y ago
The hardware isn't identical. Hetzner is known for having more drive failures than is typical as a result of replacing failing drives with "refurbished" ones.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  Back your data with Backblaze.
  - eropple 8y ago
    TBH, that's a really lousy alternative. :/ EBS is so, so useful and reduces headaches when running a system by an amount that it's almost by itself worth using AWS (or equivalent).
    - toomuchtodo 8y ago
      Depends on your use case, but I agree Hetzner needs EBS/iSCSI equivalent storage. I'm allergic to marrying yourself to AWS (or any ecosystem for that matter).
      - dylz 8y ago
        I have several hetzner snapshot-enabled internal network samba mounts (they offer this as a separate service)
      - eropple 8y ago
        Sure - you do get basically the same thing with Azure or GCP, though. (DigitalOcean...tries.)
  - scarface74 8y ago
    And then you have only one data center. It’s not just about your data. You need to have your entire stack in a different region.
- late2part 8y ago
  Please provide evidence that Hetzner has more drive failures than AWS?
- zaarn 8y ago
  You can ask for a fresh drive, IIRC that will cost you about 10€ or so for the replacement in that case. Though I've largely gotten fresh drives from Hetzner so far, only one that had been worn in a bit.
oh-kumudo 8y ago
Of course not identical...I am only guessing but AWS must have tons of in-house chips tailored for networking/routing, let alone the design of their data warehouse...

coder543 8y ago

a 100% markup = 2x cost, not 10x cost, right? But it's not necessarily about the hardware of a single server. I know nothing about Hetzner. I know that AWS puts a ton of thought and money into their networking and power infrastructure, but how trustworthy is {random competitor}'s infrastructure? Is there a catch with Hetzer, or how are they this cheap? I have a lot of experience with DigitalOcean's services. If they offered bare metal, that would be cool, as whitepoplar said. Packet is a bare-metal AWS competitor that I know a lot more about and trust quite a bit. None of this means you're going to trust my experiences.

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whitepoplar 8y ago

The hardware isn't identical. Hetzner is known for having more drive failures than is typical as a result of replacing failing drives with "refurbished" ones.

toomuchtodo 8y ago
Back your data with Backblaze.
- eropple 8y ago
  TBH, that's a really lousy alternative. :/ EBS is so, so useful and reduces headaches when running a system by an amount that it's almost by itself worth using AWS (or equivalent).
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    Depends on your use case, but I agree Hetzner needs EBS/iSCSI equivalent storage. I'm allergic to marrying yourself to AWS (or any ecosystem for that matter).
    - dylz 8y ago
      I have several hetzner snapshot-enabled internal network samba mounts (they offer this as a separate service)
    - eropple 8y ago
      Sure - you do get basically the same thing with Azure or GCP, though. (DigitalOcean...tries.)
- scarface74 8y ago
  And then you have only one data center. It’s not just about your data. You need to have your entire stack in a different region.
late2part 8y ago
Please provide evidence that Hetzner has more drive failures than AWS?
zaarn 8y ago
You can ask for a fresh drive, IIRC that will cost you about 10€ or so for the replacement in that case. Though I've largely gotten fresh drives from Hetzner so far, only one that had been worn in a bit.

oh-kumudo 8y ago

Of course not identical...I am only guessing but AWS must have tons of in-house chips tailored for networking/routing, let alone the design of their data warehouse...