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>When I was in High School, a 7 am start time required me to be awake at 5 am, which probably contributed to how miserable I felt as a teen. In my region they'

>When I was in High School, a 7 am start time required me to be awake at 5 am, which probably contributed to how miserable I felt as a teen. In my region they've shifted school start times later to accommodate teens who have late after-school activities. The problem with this logic is that the younger the child, the more sleep they need. The shift for our local teenagers resulted in even earlier start time for elementary and middle school aged kids. Bus schedules also shifted which required me to wake my young kids even earlier (5:30 AM). Thankfully my work is flexible enough that I can drive them, which gives them an extra 30-45 min of time each morning - other parents not so lucky.

pbhjpbhj 8y ago
What's your source on "younger children need more sleep"? Our teen definitely needs much more than his younger sibling. But it seems to be more individual based on my very low n observations, the eldest needed more sleep when he was the age his younger sibling is. I'd expect there to be a sex-based characteristic to sleep needs to?
- josefresco 8y ago
  I didn't cite my sources because I thought it was common knowledge (my bad). I found this after 1 search query: http://www.aappublications.org/news/2016/06/13/Sleep061316 http://www.aappublications.org/news/2016/06/13/Sleep061316 Two more in case you need some more: https://www.webmd.com/parenting/guide/sleep-children#1 https://www.webmd.com/parenting/guide/sleep-children#1 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-sleep-guidelines-for-babies-kids-and-teens/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-sleep-guidelines-for-babies...
  - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
    The reason I wanted your source was to see the detail - like ranges, breadth of studies, etc.. Many people assume a lot of things that when investigated turn out to be false. Often assertions don't match their backing: for example you said " The problem with this logic is that the younger the child, the more sleep they need." However that's not what your first study says. It gives broad ranges, so it concedes that younger children can need less sleep than older children, it's not tied in a simple way to age. You perhaps meant "on average", which is quite reasonable, and having the source you based you statement on can lead one to assume you were being brief rather than errant. FWIW those sources look like you quickly googled it; and so weren't really relying on any particular sources. TL;DR your source supports my observation and contradicts your claim as written.
    - meowface 8y ago
      Your observation is anecdotal, based on a sample size of two, up against what appears to be the scientific consensus.
    - behringer 8y ago
      For parents wondering what the right amount is, the right amount is simply how many hours your children wants to sleep. People on a schedule just don't oversleep. The research only really matters if you have medical concerns about your child, for example, you can't get them on any schedule, they're sleepy when they seem to be getting enough sleep, or there's some other issue. Make your schedule malleable for your kids and within a few days you'll pretty much know exactly how much sleep they need.
      - josefresco 8y ago
        > how many hours your children wants to sleep For my kids the trouble is "when" they want this sleep. My oldest goes to bed "early" and rises early. My youngest could stay up until 2-3 AM and sleep until noon (as she did this summer).
        calewis 8y ago
        This may depend on their chronotype. When we were cave people some of us evolved to stay up later and guard the camp from predators, some of us got up early to hunt. You need to try and support that where possible, but not to overindulge it. If they are staying up until 2:00am to play computer games it may just be because their brain is more sensitive to light and it's actually that that's keeping them awake.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 8y ago
        Ah damn that explains why i'm so awake from midnight to 4 am... My chronotype is definitely not a morning one,
    - option_greek 8y ago
- calewis 8y ago
  no sex based characteristics only age Your teenager needs 9-10 hours of sleep every day (even on the weekends where possible)
gradys 8y ago
Younger children may need more sleep in total, but teenagers' circadian rhythm is shifted later relative to adults and younger children. They need 8 hours or so that starts and ends later than younger children. Or at least that's the argument made in the book Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker.

pbhjpbhj 8y ago

What's your source on "younger children need more sleep"? Our teen definitely needs much more than his younger sibling. But it seems to be more individual based on my very low n observations, the eldest needed more sleep when he was the age his younger sibling is. I'd expect there to be a sex-based characteristic to sleep needs to?

josefresco 8y ago
I didn't cite my sources because I thought it was common knowledge (my bad). I found this after 1 search query: http://www.aappublications.org/news/2016/06/13/Sleep061316 http://www.aappublications.org/news/2016/06/13/Sleep061316 Two more in case you need some more: https://www.webmd.com/parenting/guide/sleep-children#1 https://www.webmd.com/parenting/guide/sleep-children#1 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-sleep-guidelines-for-babies-kids-and-teens/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-sleep-guidelines-for-babies...
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  The reason I wanted your source was to see the detail - like ranges, breadth of studies, etc.. Many people assume a lot of things that when investigated turn out to be false. Often assertions don't match their backing: for example you said " The problem with this logic is that the younger the child, the more sleep they need." However that's not what your first study says. It gives broad ranges, so it concedes that younger children can need less sleep than older children, it's not tied in a simple way to age. You perhaps meant "on average", which is quite reasonable, and having the source you based you statement on can lead one to assume you were being brief rather than errant. FWIW those sources look like you quickly googled it; and so weren't really relying on any particular sources. TL;DR your source supports my observation and contradicts your claim as written.
  - meowface 8y ago
    Your observation is anecdotal, based on a sample size of two, up against what appears to be the scientific consensus.
  - behringer 8y ago
    For parents wondering what the right amount is, the right amount is simply how many hours your children wants to sleep. People on a schedule just don't oversleep. The research only really matters if you have medical concerns about your child, for example, you can't get them on any schedule, they're sleepy when they seem to be getting enough sleep, or there's some other issue. Make your schedule malleable for your kids and within a few days you'll pretty much know exactly how much sleep they need.
    - josefresco 8y ago
      > how many hours your children wants to sleep For my kids the trouble is "when" they want this sleep. My oldest goes to bed "early" and rises early. My youngest could stay up until 2-3 AM and sleep until noon (as she did this summer).
      - calewis 8y ago
        This may depend on their chronotype. When we were cave people some of us evolved to stay up later and guard the camp from predators, some of us got up early to hunt. You need to try and support that where possible, but not to overindulge it. If they are staying up until 2:00am to play computer games it may just be because their brain is more sensitive to light and it's actually that that's keeping them awake.
        Fire-Dragon-DoL 8y ago
        Ah damn that explains why i'm so awake from midnight to 4 am... My chronotype is definitely not a morning one,
  - option_greek 8y ago
calewis 8y ago
no sex based characteristics only age Your teenager needs 9-10 hours of sleep every day (even on the weekends where possible)

gradys 8y ago

Younger children may need more sleep in total, but teenagers' circadian rhythm is shifted later relative to adults and younger children. They need 8 hours or so that starts and ends later than younger children. Or at least that's the argument made in the book Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker.