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> Public transit, continued investment, world class museums, and honestly a pretty hip city with a lot of activity in the center, not unlike Seattle. Also lots

> Public transit, continued investment, world class museums, and honestly a pretty hip city with a lot of activity in the center, not unlike Seattle. Also lots of millennials moving there for its low cost of living and ample jobs. Minus museums, this could be said of plenty of other cities that are in places with less wacky politics. Museums don't mean a thing. Low cost of living as a requirement means a relative low cost of living compared to the West Coast. I'd prefer to see Denver as the location over Dallas. The State of Texas needs a swift kick in the ass regarding their state politics, specifically the war on women, and their continued absurd policies regarding weed. The last thing they need more of is to be rewarded for unsustainable tax policies.

psychometry 8y ago
It might be good for a red state to get an HQ, though, since educated people will for once migrate there instead of away from there.
- didgeoridoo 8y ago
  Except the net migration flow in recent decades has been from "blue" to "red" states, not the other way around... do you have any source for the claim that those moving are disproportionately not "educated" people? https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/04/24/the_politics_of_migration_from_blue_to_red__133681.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/04/24/the_po...
  - mrep 8y ago
    Well obviously all educated people vote democratic because only uneducated people would ever vote republican \s
  - esf 8y ago
    California migration is disproportionate this way. In-migration to CA is high income and high educated vs out-migration is middle to low income and less educated. I believe I've seen these trend analyzed in other states as well (low and middle income earners have the most to gain by moving to lower cost of living states, so it's a common pattern). https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article136478098.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article13647809... https://lao.ca.gov/laoecontax/article/detail/265 https://lao.ca.gov/laoecontax/article/detail/265 http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-california-migration-20150101-story.html http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-california-migration-2...
    - xienze 8y ago
      > In-migration to CA is high income and high educated vs out-migration is middle to low income and less educated. Perhaps you should clarify that this is true of legal in-migration. Wanna take any guesses as to how wealthy and educated the folks crossing over the border on a continual basis are?
      - esf 8y ago
        The question and references are specifically about domestic state to state migration patterns. That was was obvious from context. Illegal immigration to Texas btw is much higher than to California: https://www.sacbee.com/site-services/databases/article174373881.html https://www.sacbee.com/site-services/databases/article174373...
      - jonathankoren 8y ago
        All in-migration is legal. The United States does not have an internal passport.
- fipple 8y ago
  LOL. There are tons of educated people who move to Texas. Ever heard of Texas Instruments?
  - thaumasiotes 8y ago
    Everyone's heard of Texas Instruments, but the products that make them famous aren't exactly an advertisement for attracting skilled staff. A TI calculator is less than $1 worth of functionality, $100 of "you can use this on standardized tests without being considered a cheater", and $50 of brand recognition. The whole selling point of the product is that it's just as bad now as it was 25 years ago.
    - mikeash 8y ago
      That’s like saying GE can’t atteact skilled staff because people only know them for their light bulbs. The sort of people that TI needs to attract will know that they are far more than just old-fashioned calculators.
      - thaumasiotes 8y ago
        I'm saying "ever heard of Texas Instruments?" isn't a good argument, because while everyone has heard of it, they know it only for making useless products that don't need or want additional design. The fact that you've heard of it is entirely unrelated to the number of people it employs and in what capacity it employs them.
        mikeash 8y ago
        This is a place where you’d expect people to know what TI actually does, not just the calculators. “Ever heard of X?” is an idiom that means something like “here’s an obvious example you should already know about.” It doesn’t imply that knowing about it proves something. It’s a perfectly fine argument that just says, “TI exists and attracts educated employees.”
    - xienze 8y ago
- kodablah 8y ago
  > migrate there instead of away from there Citation, or are you guessing? Which state has the most people migrating to it? To determine whether they are educated, the reason for the migration can help.
Aloha 8y ago
the money that amazon would bring could shift politics in Texas alone.
thebradbain 8y ago
The writing is on the wall — Texas will turn blue sooner than later. Dallas is a liberal stronghold in Texas, and in absolute numbers turns out more for Democrats than any other city in the state, including Austin (percentage-wise Austin wins by +5%, I believe). Unlike Austin, which is gerrymandered in the state legislature, every single state/county/city official in Dallas is a Democrat. Dallas is also a gay rights stronghold, representing the only county and city in Texas, again including Austin, with non-discrimination clauses in employment and housing for LGBTQ+ individuals. Furthermore— Texas is considering bi-partisan legislation to legalize weed. Dallas has already decriminalized it, and the State, while backwards in other regards, hasn’t indicated it will force Dallas to back down on that measure. Dallas also has stricter gun laws than the state of Texas. Texas has a long way to go, but I think if you would step in Dallas you would learn to leave your preconceived notions of it at the door. I believe an HQ2 would speed up Texas’ change.
- sealthedeal 8y ago
  Dallas may seem to be a liberal stronghold, but after living there for my entire life I can promise you it is anything but...
- SomeCallMeTim 8y ago
  I am in Dallas at least once per year. A couple months ago I was there, and around my wife's parents' house, almost every yard had a Beto sign. So I can verify that this is true, at least for some parts of Dallas.
  - thebradbain 8y ago
    Anecdotal too, but everywhere in Dallas I see Beto signs — even in the affluent white neighborhoods. Hillary even won the conservative neighborhoods in 2016, and Sessions, a staunch conservative incumbent in the House of Representatives, could very well lose his seat — Hillary won his district by two points.
- chrisco255 8y ago
  Ft. Worth, right next door, is not though. I don't see this happening, by the way. Abbott is up by 15-20 points in the polls this year. And Texas is just different, culturally, than these other states. You can have your LGBTQ anti-discrimination and TX still remain red, BTW. They're not mutually exclusive.
dixie_land 8y ago
just because you don't agree with something doesn't automatically makes it "wacky"
the_reformation 8y ago
You're operating off a caricature of Texan politics. Its far more sane than the carnival of horrors that is the Seattle City Council. (lived in Texas, now live in Seattle)
yourbandsucks 8y ago
What an unnuanced and dare I say prejudiced comment. Whatever happened to liberals? We used to be the open-minded ones. Even if you're just coming at it from a place of power politics.. you think MORE packing of liberals into fewer and fewer areas is going to swing it for us? If tech companies were serious about liberal politics, they'd be opening big offices in TX and OH. Could solidify the blue wall for a generation with a few 10k people.
- hcg 8y ago
  Tech companies are serious about liberal politics. Part of that is ensuring they keep things as center to slightly right as possible and toss some money at social causes to keep their rep. If the democrats actually won consistently they might start to shift left. These companies do not want a strengthened left wing in the US.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Tech companies are serious about liberal politics. Yes, they do. > Part of that is ensuring they keep things as center to slightly right as possible Liberal politics are center-right. > If the democrats actually won consistently they might start to shift left. They might, at which point tech companies (and other big firms) would be less likely to support them.
epicureanideal 8y ago
I haven't heard about any specific issues with Texas politics, versus just regular red-state politics. Is there some specific action being taken against women in Texas that I'm not aware of? (Genuine question, not snark.)
- humanrebar 8y ago
  Texas is aggressively pro-life. They strictly regulate abortion clinics in particular.
  - epicureanideal 8y ago
    Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware. I searched about this and found: https://www.aclutx.org/en/know-you-rights/abortion-in-texas https://www.aclutx.org/en/know-you-rights/abortion-in-texas It does seem they have some fairly detailed restrictions.
nullorundefined 8y ago
Denver is not suitable at all.
- jahlove 8y ago
  Why?

psychometry 8y ago

It might be good for a red state to get an HQ, though, since educated people will for once migrate there instead of away from there.

didgeoridoo 8y ago
Except the net migration flow in recent decades has been from "blue" to "red" states, not the other way around... do you have any source for the claim that those moving are disproportionately not "educated" people? https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/04/24/the_politics_of_migration_from_blue_to_red__133681.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/04/24/the_po...
- mrep 8y ago
  Well obviously all educated people vote democratic because only uneducated people would ever vote republican \s
- esf 8y ago
  California migration is disproportionate this way. In-migration to CA is high income and high educated vs out-migration is middle to low income and less educated. I believe I've seen these trend analyzed in other states as well (low and middle income earners have the most to gain by moving to lower cost of living states, so it's a common pattern). https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article136478098.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article13647809... https://lao.ca.gov/laoecontax/article/detail/265 https://lao.ca.gov/laoecontax/article/detail/265 http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-california-migration-20150101-story.html http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-california-migration-2...
  - xienze 8y ago
    > In-migration to CA is high income and high educated vs out-migration is middle to low income and less educated. Perhaps you should clarify that this is true of legal in-migration. Wanna take any guesses as to how wealthy and educated the folks crossing over the border on a continual basis are?
    - esf 8y ago
      The question and references are specifically about domestic state to state migration patterns. That was was obvious from context. Illegal immigration to Texas btw is much higher than to California: https://www.sacbee.com/site-services/databases/article174373881.html https://www.sacbee.com/site-services/databases/article174373...
    - jonathankoren 8y ago
      All in-migration is legal. The United States does not have an internal passport.
fipple 8y ago
LOL. There are tons of educated people who move to Texas. Ever heard of Texas Instruments?
- thaumasiotes 8y ago
  Everyone's heard of Texas Instruments, but the products that make them famous aren't exactly an advertisement for attracting skilled staff. A TI calculator is less than $1 worth of functionality, $100 of "you can use this on standardized tests without being considered a cheater", and $50 of brand recognition. The whole selling point of the product is that it's just as bad now as it was 25 years ago.
  - mikeash 8y ago
    That’s like saying GE can’t atteact skilled staff because people only know them for their light bulbs. The sort of people that TI needs to attract will know that they are far more than just old-fashioned calculators.
    - thaumasiotes 8y ago
      I'm saying "ever heard of Texas Instruments?" isn't a good argument, because while everyone has heard of it, they know it only for making useless products that don't need or want additional design. The fact that you've heard of it is entirely unrelated to the number of people it employs and in what capacity it employs them.
      - mikeash 8y ago
        This is a place where you’d expect people to know what TI actually does, not just the calculators. “Ever heard of X?” is an idiom that means something like “here’s an obvious example you should already know about.” It doesn’t imply that knowing about it proves something. It’s a perfectly fine argument that just says, “TI exists and attracts educated employees.”
  - xienze 8y ago
kodablah 8y ago
> migrate there instead of away from there Citation, or are you guessing? Which state has the most people migrating to it? To determine whether they are educated, the reason for the migration can help.

Aloha 8y ago

the money that amazon would bring could shift politics in Texas alone.

thebradbain 8y ago

The writing is on the wall — Texas will turn blue sooner than later. Dallas is a liberal stronghold in Texas, and in absolute numbers turns out more for Democrats than any other city in the state, including Austin (percentage-wise Austin wins by +5%, I believe). Unlike Austin, which is gerrymandered in the state legislature, every single state/county/city official in Dallas is a Democrat. Dallas is also a gay rights stronghold, representing the only county and city in Texas, again including Austin, with non-discrimination clauses in employment and housing for LGBTQ+ individuals. Furthermore— Texas is considering bi-partisan legislation to legalize weed. Dallas has already decriminalized it, and the State, while backwards in other regards, hasn’t indicated it will force Dallas to back down on that measure. Dallas also has stricter gun laws than the state of Texas. Texas has a long way to go, but I think if you would step in Dallas you would learn to leave your preconceived notions of it at the door. I believe an HQ2 would speed up Texas’ change.

sealthedeal 8y ago
Dallas may seem to be a liberal stronghold, but after living there for my entire life I can promise you it is anything but...
SomeCallMeTim 8y ago
I am in Dallas at least once per year. A couple months ago I was there, and around my wife's parents' house, almost every yard had a Beto sign. So I can verify that this is true, at least for some parts of Dallas.
- thebradbain 8y ago
  Anecdotal too, but everywhere in Dallas I see Beto signs — even in the affluent white neighborhoods. Hillary even won the conservative neighborhoods in 2016, and Sessions, a staunch conservative incumbent in the House of Representatives, could very well lose his seat — Hillary won his district by two points.
chrisco255 8y ago
Ft. Worth, right next door, is not though. I don't see this happening, by the way. Abbott is up by 15-20 points in the polls this year. And Texas is just different, culturally, than these other states. You can have your LGBTQ anti-discrimination and TX still remain red, BTW. They're not mutually exclusive.

dixie_land 8y ago

just because you don't agree with something doesn't automatically makes it "wacky"

the_reformation 8y ago

You're operating off a caricature of Texan politics. Its far more sane than the carnival of horrors that is the Seattle City Council. (lived in Texas, now live in Seattle)

yourbandsucks 8y ago

What an unnuanced and dare I say prejudiced comment. Whatever happened to liberals? We used to be the open-minded ones. Even if you're just coming at it from a place of power politics.. you think MORE packing of liberals into fewer and fewer areas is going to swing it for us? If tech companies were serious about liberal politics, they'd be opening big offices in TX and OH. Could solidify the blue wall for a generation with a few 10k people.

hcg 8y ago
Tech companies are serious about liberal politics. Part of that is ensuring they keep things as center to slightly right as possible and toss some money at social causes to keep their rep. If the democrats actually won consistently they might start to shift left. These companies do not want a strengthened left wing in the US.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Tech companies are serious about liberal politics. Yes, they do. > Part of that is ensuring they keep things as center to slightly right as possible Liberal politics are center-right. > If the democrats actually won consistently they might start to shift left. They might, at which point tech companies (and other big firms) would be less likely to support them.

epicureanideal 8y ago

I haven't heard about any specific issues with Texas politics, versus just regular red-state politics. Is there some specific action being taken against women in Texas that I'm not aware of? (Genuine question, not snark.)

humanrebar 8y ago
Texas is aggressively pro-life. They strictly regulate abortion clinics in particular.
- epicureanideal 8y ago
  Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware. I searched about this and found: https://www.aclutx.org/en/know-you-rights/abortion-in-texas https://www.aclutx.org/en/know-you-rights/abortion-in-texas It does seem they have some fairly detailed restrictions.

nullorundefined 8y ago

Denver is not suitable at all.

jahlove 8y ago
Why?