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Smart-ass answer, but the fences are financial and very real. If you have no money, how are you supposed to afford to travel to a completely different part of t

Smart-ass answer, but the fences are financial and very real. If you have no money, how are you supposed to afford to travel to a completely different part of the country where you have no friends or family, find a job and rent an apartment?

chaostheory 8y ago
CA actually offers free bus passes for this. Well every state does - some like NY even offer plane tickets: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...
- bvxvbxbxb 8y ago
  It's true but it's horrible. It's called homeless dumping, similar to hospital patient dumping. Pencil-pushers use it to play games with citizens they view as "liabilities," rather than as human-beings.
  - chaostheory 8y ago
    I agree since it doesn’t solve the real problem. I commented on it in a separate thread below
georgeecollins 8y ago
How do you think this country was settled-- by a bunch of wealthy people staying on a friends couch?
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- Retric 8y ago
  By people with enough resources to move to an area without infrastructure and set it up. That takes money, not necessarily crazy money but far more than a the average homeless person has. PS: The first US colonies actually took a crazy amount of capital to set up. The west was largely settled by people in covered wagons which for the time period also represented a lot of capital ~50,000+$ in 2018 USD.
  - atomi 8y ago
    A lot of the Anglo emigration occured during the Gold Rush period and some later to Central California during the Dust Bowl. But the west was first colonized by the Spanish. One of the first Anglos to reach Alta California was the Bartleson-Bitwell party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Belden https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Belden
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    The common theme with pre-civil war settlement in the US is that people would rather risk financial ruin and/or starvation than live their life (and raise their kids) according to the whims of a city/town ruled by people they do not agree with. For example, basically all of New England that isn't on the coast was settled by people who got so fed up with the puritanical authoritarians in Boston that upending their lives and moving a few days ride west (and risking starvation/financial run in the first few years) was the better option.
    - Retric 8y ago
      That view is more propaganda than reality. Most US migration had to do with economics more than politics. The underground railroad gets a lot of coverage, but it's peak never reached 1,000 slaves per year where 23,191,876 slaves where part of the 1850 sensuous. So, people are talking about a migration of ~0.004% per year.
      - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
        What you say is true for long distance relocation, not short ones. Being a farmer is not made easier by moving a couple hundred more miles west. What moving a couple hundred miles will do is put you in a substantially more rural area where a bunch of people you don't like have a lot less, if any, power over your day to day life. The people who were relocating to California to chase some dream of riches were not motivated by politics. The people moving from somewhere outside NYC to somewhere outside of Buffalo were doing it for politics.
        8y ago
i_am_nomad 8y ago
A Greyhound bus to Fresno is $22 when bought two days in advance. Twenty-two dollars.
- ocschwar 8y ago
  And a motel room in Fresno is about $20 a night, more if you want to know that the next room isn't a meth lab. That adds up quickly.

chaostheory 8y ago

CA actually offers free bus passes for this. Well every state does - some like NY even offer plane tickets: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...

bvxvbxbxb 8y ago
It's true but it's horrible. It's called homeless dumping, similar to hospital patient dumping. Pencil-pushers use it to play games with citizens they view as "liabilities," rather than as human-beings.
- chaostheory 8y ago
  I agree since it doesn’t solve the real problem. I commented on it in a separate thread below

georgeecollins 8y ago

How do you think this country was settled-- by a bunch of wealthy people staying on a friends couch?

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Retric 8y ago
By people with enough resources to move to an area without infrastructure and set it up. That takes money, not necessarily crazy money but far more than a the average homeless person has. PS: The first US colonies actually took a crazy amount of capital to set up. The west was largely settled by people in covered wagons which for the time period also represented a lot of capital ~50,000+$ in 2018 USD.
- atomi 8y ago
  A lot of the Anglo emigration occured during the Gold Rush period and some later to Central California during the Dust Bowl. But the west was first colonized by the Spanish. One of the first Anglos to reach Alta California was the Bartleson-Bitwell party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Belden https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Belden
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  The common theme with pre-civil war settlement in the US is that people would rather risk financial ruin and/or starvation than live their life (and raise their kids) according to the whims of a city/town ruled by people they do not agree with. For example, basically all of New England that isn't on the coast was settled by people who got so fed up with the puritanical authoritarians in Boston that upending their lives and moving a few days ride west (and risking starvation/financial run in the first few years) was the better option.
  - Retric 8y ago
    That view is more propaganda than reality. Most US migration had to do with economics more than politics. The underground railroad gets a lot of coverage, but it's peak never reached 1,000 slaves per year where 23,191,876 slaves where part of the 1850 sensuous. So, people are talking about a migration of ~0.004% per year.
    - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
      What you say is true for long distance relocation, not short ones. Being a farmer is not made easier by moving a couple hundred more miles west. What moving a couple hundred miles will do is put you in a substantially more rural area where a bunch of people you don't like have a lot less, if any, power over your day to day life. The people who were relocating to California to chase some dream of riches were not motivated by politics. The people moving from somewhere outside NYC to somewhere outside of Buffalo were doing it for politics.
      - 8y ago

i_am_nomad 8y ago

A Greyhound bus to Fresno is $22 when bought two days in advance. Twenty-two dollars.

ocschwar 8y ago
And a motel room in Fresno is about $20 a night, more if you want to know that the next room isn't a meth lab. That adds up quickly.