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Anyone have a summary or better source? Paywall is strong with this one.

onetimemanytime 8y ago
China felt generous to build an entire new building for African Union. About $200 Million cost, and it came complete with bugs (as in spy ones) and backdoor-ed network that sent the data to China every night. NSA would have done the same, that's what countries do. There I said it. But the story, for me, is more about Huawei doing whatever their owner wants. Stay away from them
- hatersgonnahate 8y ago
  Huawei phones are still great in terms of affordability with high end spec. Tell the nonrich people more about the eavesdropping and most don’t give it shit
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  - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
    I'm using one; given GCHQ/NSA/whoever already are watching my data, that UK ISPs use Huawei gear - and from who knows where - I don't really care. I can't see what they'd want with my info. If I was working on stuff to be patented or something then maybe ... If I use an Apple device the Chinese or USAmericans could be surveilling me; Samsung/LG, perhaps the Koreans; Sony/Fujitsu maybe the Japanese ... I wouldn't know either way, nor ever need to care AFAICT. As the parent suggests, perhaps if you have a lot to lose then paranoia about this might pay off.
    - hnmonkey 8y ago
      Just to be clear... paranoia is an irrational fear that people are out to get you. If you are actually being spied on by someone (you are) then that word doesn't apply since the fear of that spying is 100% rational.
      - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
        Yeah, what I was aiming for was anything on the scale from conscientious through to paranoid. If you're "hot" on the issue, rationally or otherwise it could pay off to some extent. You might say, if it pays off then it's not paranoia -- never cross a road and you can't be run over crossing the road, but I'd still consider it paranoid. So, yeah, ...
        hnmonkey 8y ago
        You're not the only one. It seems like paranoia has taken on this new-ish meaning over the past few years of just being afraid of something that is totally valid. It seems the previous usage of it has kinda died out somewhat.
- IllogicalLogic 8y ago
  NSA would've bugged the building without investing anything in that country. Not quite the same. The original exploiters of Africa are mad that China is investing and building infrastructure on that continent, which will raise historically low prices.
  - yorwba 8y ago
    Which prices will it raise? I'd expect the investment to lower prices for various raw materials China wants (because why would they invest to pay more in the end?) and consequently it would also lower prices for goods manufactured in China from those materials.
    - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
      China entering the African market will raise the prices that domestic producers can sell products at, due to increased demand for resources in limited supply. In the end, more money will be made by the people who actually live and work there, not the international arbitraguers (if no shenanigans are added to the process).
      - NicoJuicy 8y ago
        This is when it's done by local workers and the wages rise. FYI, the majority of work is not done by local workers.
  - onetimemanytime 8y ago
    They'll regret most Chinese investments, there's already a major backlash against the Chinese style "investment." You think China is doing this for Africa's good? China is enslaving them with a signature. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-10/china-s-belt-and-road-initiative-has-stalled https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-10/china-... http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-08/05/content_8532644.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-08/05/content_853264... NSA, if they haven't bugged them already, they already bought the IT staff with money. Third world countries are NSA's dream countries.

China felt generous to build an entire new building for African Union. About $200 Million cost, and it came complete with bugs (as in spy ones) and backdoor-ed network that sent the data to China every night. NSA would have done the same, that's what countries do. There I said it. But the story, for me, is more about Huawei doing whatever their owner wants. Stay away from them

hatersgonnahate 8y ago
Huawei phones are still great in terms of affordability with high end spec. Tell the nonrich people more about the eavesdropping and most don’t give it shit
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  I'm using one; given GCHQ/NSA/whoever already are watching my data, that UK ISPs use Huawei gear - and from who knows where - I don't really care. I can't see what they'd want with my info. If I was working on stuff to be patented or something then maybe ... If I use an Apple device the Chinese or USAmericans could be surveilling me; Samsung/LG, perhaps the Koreans; Sony/Fujitsu maybe the Japanese ... I wouldn't know either way, nor ever need to care AFAICT. As the parent suggests, perhaps if you have a lot to lose then paranoia about this might pay off.
  - hnmonkey 8y ago
    Just to be clear... paranoia is an irrational fear that people are out to get you. If you are actually being spied on by someone (you are) then that word doesn't apply since the fear of that spying is 100% rational.
    - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
      Yeah, what I was aiming for was anything on the scale from conscientious through to paranoid. If you're "hot" on the issue, rationally or otherwise it could pay off to some extent. You might say, if it pays off then it's not paranoia -- never cross a road and you can't be run over crossing the road, but I'd still consider it paranoid. So, yeah, ...
      - hnmonkey 8y ago
        You're not the only one. It seems like paranoia has taken on this new-ish meaning over the past few years of just being afraid of something that is totally valid. It seems the previous usage of it has kinda died out somewhat.
IllogicalLogic 8y ago
NSA would've bugged the building without investing anything in that country. Not quite the same. The original exploiters of Africa are mad that China is investing and building infrastructure on that continent, which will raise historically low prices.
- yorwba 8y ago
  Which prices will it raise? I'd expect the investment to lower prices for various raw materials China wants (because why would they invest to pay more in the end?) and consequently it would also lower prices for goods manufactured in China from those materials.
  - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
    China entering the African market will raise the prices that domestic producers can sell products at, due to increased demand for resources in limited supply. In the end, more money will be made by the people who actually live and work there, not the international arbitraguers (if no shenanigans are added to the process).
    - NicoJuicy 8y ago
      This is when it's done by local workers and the wages rise. FYI, the majority of work is not done by local workers.
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  They'll regret most Chinese investments, there's already a major backlash against the Chinese style "investment." You think China is doing this for Africa's good? China is enslaving them with a signature. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-10/china-s-belt-and-road-initiative-has-stalled https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-10/china-... http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-08/05/content_8532644.htm http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-08/05/content_853264... NSA, if they haven't bugged them already, they already bought the IT staff with money. Third world countries are NSA's dream countries.