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I am not happy with these new services because they are all hosted in the EU where there is no right to free speech, so to me they are not an improvement over w
by znaji 8y ago
I am not happy with these new services because they are all hosted in the EU where there is no right to free speech, so to me they are not an improvement over what they are supposed to replace.
- arethuza 8y agoIsn't the point of Diaspora that you can take a copy of the software and install it anywhere you like? https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora
- Angostura 8y agoYou probably wan to look at Voat, then. It's the go-to home for white supremacists and people who really dislike fat people, but it provides you with a free-speech zone, if that's your thing.
- sakarisson 8y agoTry writing left-leaning comments and see how long Voat respects your right to free speech.
- JimGuns 8y agoSo it's basically the opposite of US services, where conservatives are hushed.
- hexane360 8y agoIf you see everything from a binary perspective, then yes. If you have a shred of rationality, no.
- raverbashing 8y agoOh you mean like Reddit and T_D? Oh wait...
- ConceptJunkie 8y agoEver look at /r/politics?
- JimGuns 8y agoYes. It is owned by Obama.
- welly 8y agoWhat are you talking about that there is no right to free speech in Europe? You are completely incorrect.
- k__ 8y agoAs long as you aren't a nazi, you're pretty much good to go.
- RX14 8y agoNo country in the world gives you right of free speech on someone else's platform.
- znaji 8y agoThere is no free speech in Germany, so chances are that someone will say something on Diaspora that the government of Germany won't like. Then, if the owner of Diaspora refuses to delete the "illegal" post, he will be thrown in jail, so he doesn't really have a chance not to censor whatever the government forces him to censor.
- Theizestooke 8y agoWhat are you basing these claims on? Any recent events in german history you could point to?
- raverbashing 8y agoPeople can't say 'fuck' on tv in the US or say 'fire' in a crowded theatre so I guess there's no free speech there as well And don't get me started on the puritanism
- thecatspaw 8y agothe fire one makes sense though. You're not neccessarily directly forbidden from shouting fire, you're forbidden from creating mass panic which can lead to injuries and death
- raverbashing 8y agoOf course it does, I'm just pointing out the 'free speech' people's complaints are not much based on practicality.
- M2Ys4U 8y ago>There is no free speech in Germany You might want to read Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights.
- bionoid 8y agoAnd where would you propose as an alternative, in terms of better rights to free speech than europe? Surely not the US? Right?
- throwaway8879 8y agoAs a non-US and non-EU person, I can confidently say that the US has better free speech laws than anywhere else on this planet. I am open to being educated on this though.
- chmod775 8y agoThe US only ranks 45th place on the Freedom of Press Index for instance, so it appears there are actually quite a few things not even the press is allowed to write about, much less your ordinary person. https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking
- cbnotfromthere 8y agoYou seem to confuse freedom of speech with freedom of press.
- chmod775 8y agoGenerally freedom of press is greater in areas where it matters. When the press can't speak about a thing, oftentimes your ordinary person can't either. Treating freedom of speech as completely disjoint from freedom of press is wrong.
- throwaway8879 8y agoThat is quite irrelevant. We're talking about freedom of speech here. Not the freedom of the press. When I think of freedom of speech, I have a simple question. If I say something that one finds offensive, am I committing a crime and will be prosecuted for my words? That's the only criteria I have. Now, the consequences that come from saying what you want, for eg. losing a job, or business - those have nothing to do with freedom of speech. Obviously there are exceptions, in the form of breaking contracts. Can't go around leaking classified information or industrial secrets - contracts you agreed to when you signed up for the gig.
- DandyDev 8y ago“where there is no right to free speech“ Yes, there is. At least in my experience as a happy EU citizen. So want to cut the hyperbole and substantiate your claim?
- throwaway8879 8y agoAre you allowed to deny the Holocaust?
- thecatspaw 8y agoIf you can provide scientific proof that it didnt happen, yes. Otherwise no
- pbhjpbhj 8y agoYou can't do that, it's impossible. You'd have to go with something like "show that the massive decline in the Jewish population of Nazi Germany was by means other than genocide". Which is also impossible, but due to truth instead of poor epistemology.
- NietTim 8y agoEhhhh, you're "not even" allowed to investigate it, so this one doesn't really work
- UncleMeat 8y agoThis is false. I personally know academics who study genocide who do serious research on the Holocaust in Europe. It's just that these people are dingbats who have decided ahead of time to deny the Holocaust and desperately search for any shred of broken evidence for this claim.
- w4tson 8y agoSure. UK crackpot David Irving has been denying the holocaust since the 80s. There’s a drama on Netflix about him called Denial
- pjc50 8y agoEurope has a conditional right to free expression which is balanced with other rights: "Article 10 – Freedom of expression 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary" Yes, that's a lot of caveats, but if you have a substantive true idea or non-extreme politics you're fine. What you're not free to do is make calls for genocide etc.
- PunchTornado 8y ago> for the protection of morals that's the bit I don't agree with. it leaves room for a lot of interpretation. there was a woman in Austria who was fined for saying that mohamed was a child rapist (which you could argue it is true given that he slept with underaged girls). I don't agree to people being fined if they say something about Mohamed or God. That is not free speech IMO.
- DandyDev 8y agoThere we agree. I think freedom of speech should fully cover anything religion related because religion is by definition not provable.
- znajl 8y agohttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6316567/Woman-correctly-convicted-Austria-calling-Prophet-Mohammed-paedophile-ECHR-rules.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6316567/Woman-corre... There is no free speech in the EU.
- tecleandor 8y agoI won't entering the troll feeding game, but basically: It doesn't matter, Diaspora is decentralized. You can host your own instance. You can enter an instance _living_ in your country of choice.
- dnadler 8y agoThere is no right to free speech on Facebook. That amendment applies only to the government. A surprising number of people seem to forget that.
- mc32 8y agoTrue, but get a few bots involved in speech snd watch people want it regulated by government.
- ConceptJunkie 8y agoYou don't even need bots. Just disagree with them and they are all to happy to go down the censorship route.
- Certhas 8y agoHere you go: https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world-2018-table-country-scores https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world-2018-table-cou... The most comprehensive survey on various freedoms in the World that I know of ranks Germany at 94, ahead of France at 90 and the US at 86. (100 is the perfect score) Freedom of speech is also a guaranteed right in the German constitution, as it is in the European Convention on Human Rights and the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. In every jurisdiction there are limits to the freedom of speech. This applies to the US as well as everywhere else: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
- SpecialistEMT 8y agoOp doesnt understand what free speech is.
- Kim_Bruning 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_10_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_10_of_the_European_Con...