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Honestly, I kind of hope Dish and Sling hold out. I don't have cable any more, but many of my family members do, and constantly complain about rates going up a

Honestly, I kind of hope Dish and Sling hold out. I don't have cable any more, but many of my family members do, and constantly complain about rates going up all the time. If enough cable companies toe the line with HBO, and ESPN, it would put a stop to that..

Benjammer 8y ago
>If enough cable companies toe the line How do you get them to cooperate though? What's to stop AT&T from playing them against each other and just saying the first one to accept their terms gets a sweetheart deal, and everyone else is going to have to pay even more?
- notyourday 8y ago
  Since now AT&T has the content it makes no sense not to squeeze everyone who needs this content. Turn on your cable or satellite TV and scroll through the channels. Notice everything that is on. Should you do it every day for a month you would realize that it is the same recycled content that is being re-pushed. That's because for all big talk there's just not enough broadcast quality content that is being produced to fill the available slots. Production of the content is not just expensive, it is time consuming.
  - Karunamon 8y ago
    I'd also add that linear content is becoming more and more of an anachronism. As more and more people get access to streaming services, it makes less and less sense to time-box content. Most of Dish's stuff is DVR-based anyways, and everyday channels are telling people to set their DVRs in the promo material. Forcing everything into a time box makes the content problem look worse.
joezydeco 8y ago
Dish/Dish Network/Sling/Echostar have been involved in these carriage disputes on and off over the decades. The CEO doesn't willingly give into price hikes and unilateral changes without a fight. He'll just switch the network off (or let it get cut off) and apply the viewer pressure until something is worked out. 2018, Univision: https://www.multichannel.com/news/ergen-univision-blackout-is-probably-permanent https://www.multichannel.com/news/ergen-univision-blackout-i... 2017, CBS: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dish-network-drops-cbs-stations-contract-dispute-1060631 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dish-network-drops-cb... 2016, Viacom: https://deadline.com/2016/04/viacom-dish-network-resolve-carriage-dispute-1201741471/ https://deadline.com/2016/04/viacom-dish-network-resolve-car... 2012, AMC: https://www.npr.org/2012/09/13/161019358/wheres-my-amc-dish-network-dispute-drags-on https://www.npr.org/2012/09/13/161019358/wheres-my-amc-dish-... 2010, Weather Channel: https://www.reuters.com/article/industry-us-dish-weatherchannel-idUSTRE64J6X320100520 https://www.reuters.com/article/industry-us-dish-weatherchan... 2010, Disney: https://technology.ihs.com/402822/disney-dish-spat-the-battle-over-hd-carriage-premiums-is-underway https://technology.ihs.com/402822/disney-dish-spat-the-battl... Full list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Dish_Network#Programming_disagreements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Dish_Network#Prog... Granted, the landscape has changed and it's a lot easier to change streaming providers than the old days when you had to physically switch out your satellite system for DirecTV or go back to CATV/Cable.
- notyourday 8y ago
  I once have sat at the war room table in such a dispute. Typically a carrier has a weapon which it can use abet reluctantly ( because it can only be used once every few years ) -- it is dropping the multiple channels associated with the content provider. Since typically a carrier has a local monopoly on access, such drop impacts cash flow of the content provider, which needs the cash flow to create new content. The problem is that this weapon does not work against AT&T which owns DirectTV -- Dish would need to drop all AT&T controlled content a the worst possible time for AT&T - such as right before the elections ( CNN would take a major hit ) as well as channels such as TBS/TNT/etc, which may not be possible due to other contracts while betting that AT&T's campaign to switch Dish users to DirectTV won't be successful ( it will - there's really no difference between the two providers it is just a question of AT&T having the installation operation ready ) Dish is a dinosaur of the carriers - it has too many channels and no content to put on it. Its only long term play is heavy investment in creating its own programming. Even Netflix and Amazon realized it.
  - joezydeco 8y ago
    I always considered RFDTv to be Dish's original programming... =)
- vel0city 8y ago
  For many Americans who live in rural areas and have very limited/poor choices for internet service, satellite TV is still one of the best ways to get live or near-live media. WISPs are often oversold so during peak hours (the hours you'd really care to watch) streaming becomes unreliable. 4G connectivity is really expensive if you tend to consume a lot of video. This is satellite TV's market.
  - arminiusreturns 8y ago
    Im hoping 5g will change the landscape on this subject.
    - 8y ago

Benjammer 8y ago

>If enough cable companies toe the line How do you get them to cooperate though? What's to stop AT&T from playing them against each other and just saying the first one to accept their terms gets a sweetheart deal, and everyone else is going to have to pay even more?

notyourday 8y ago
Since now AT&T has the content it makes no sense not to squeeze everyone who needs this content. Turn on your cable or satellite TV and scroll through the channels. Notice everything that is on. Should you do it every day for a month you would realize that it is the same recycled content that is being re-pushed. That's because for all big talk there's just not enough broadcast quality content that is being produced to fill the available slots. Production of the content is not just expensive, it is time consuming.
- Karunamon 8y ago
  I'd also add that linear content is becoming more and more of an anachronism. As more and more people get access to streaming services, it makes less and less sense to time-box content. Most of Dish's stuff is DVR-based anyways, and everyday channels are telling people to set their DVRs in the promo material. Forcing everything into a time box makes the content problem look worse.

joezydeco 8y ago

Dish/Dish Network/Sling/Echostar have been involved in these carriage disputes on and off over the decades. The CEO doesn't willingly give into price hikes and unilateral changes without a fight. He'll just switch the network off (or let it get cut off) and apply the viewer pressure until something is worked out. 2018, Univision: https://www.multichannel.com/news/ergen-univision-blackout-is-probably-permanent https://www.multichannel.com/news/ergen-univision-blackout-i... 2017, CBS: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dish-network-drops-cbs-stations-contract-dispute-1060631 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dish-network-drops-cb... 2016, Viacom: https://deadline.com/2016/04/viacom-dish-network-resolve-carriage-dispute-1201741471/ https://deadline.com/2016/04/viacom-dish-network-resolve-car... 2012, AMC: https://www.npr.org/2012/09/13/161019358/wheres-my-amc-dish-network-dispute-drags-on https://www.npr.org/2012/09/13/161019358/wheres-my-amc-dish-... 2010, Weather Channel: https://www.reuters.com/article/industry-us-dish-weatherchannel-idUSTRE64J6X320100520 https://www.reuters.com/article/industry-us-dish-weatherchan... 2010, Disney: https://technology.ihs.com/402822/disney-dish-spat-the-battle-over-hd-carriage-premiums-is-underway https://technology.ihs.com/402822/disney-dish-spat-the-battl... Full list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Dish_Network#Programming_disagreements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Dish_Network#Prog... Granted, the landscape has changed and it's a lot easier to change streaming providers than the old days when you had to physically switch out your satellite system for DirecTV or go back to CATV/Cable.

notyourday 8y ago
I once have sat at the war room table in such a dispute. Typically a carrier has a weapon which it can use abet reluctantly ( because it can only be used once every few years ) -- it is dropping the multiple channels associated with the content provider. Since typically a carrier has a local monopoly on access, such drop impacts cash flow of the content provider, which needs the cash flow to create new content. The problem is that this weapon does not work against AT&T which owns DirectTV -- Dish would need to drop all AT&T controlled content a the worst possible time for AT&T - such as right before the elections ( CNN would take a major hit ) as well as channels such as TBS/TNT/etc, which may not be possible due to other contracts while betting that AT&T's campaign to switch Dish users to DirectTV won't be successful ( it will - there's really no difference between the two providers it is just a question of AT&T having the installation operation ready ) Dish is a dinosaur of the carriers - it has too many channels and no content to put on it. Its only long term play is heavy investment in creating its own programming. Even Netflix and Amazon realized it.
- joezydeco 8y ago
  I always considered RFDTv to be Dish's original programming... =)
vel0city 8y ago
For many Americans who live in rural areas and have very limited/poor choices for internet service, satellite TV is still one of the best ways to get live or near-live media. WISPs are often oversold so during peak hours (the hours you'd really care to watch) streaming becomes unreliable. 4G connectivity is really expensive if you tend to consume a lot of video. This is satellite TV's market.
- arminiusreturns 8y ago
  Im hoping 5g will change the landscape on this subject.
  - 8y ago