> the point of the open source was often to share code to improve the state of the art and provide useful code for people so they don't have to start from scrat

> the point of the open source was often to share code to improve the state of the art and provide useful code for people so they don't have to start from scratch Was that the point of free software? I thought that the point was freedom: that users be permitted to use, modify & redistribute the software they use. Inclusion of BSD-licensed code in proprietary software fails at that: a macOS user is unable to use macOS without paying for it; unable to legally modify it; and even if he did modify unable to legally distribute those modifications. BSD-licensed code is awesome for vendors of proprietary software who want a head start; it's not so great for users.