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All right, you led me into an interesting rabit-hole there, I saw this AI winter page, and after reading a bit , the guy( Filip Piekniewski) said: "...the only

All right, you led me into an interesting rabit-hole there, I saw this AI winter page, and after reading a bit , the guy( Filip Piekniewski) said: "...the only problem really worth solving in AI is the Moravec's paradox, which is exactly the opposite of what DeepMind or OpenAI are doing...". Then I dont know what the guy thinks about what is the exact meaning of the said paradox, but in my ignorance I went to check Wikipedia, and they gave me:"Moravec's paradox is the discovery...that, contrary to traditional assumptions, high-level reasoning requires very little computation, but low-level sensorimotor skills require enormous computational resources" Well, this sounded pretty obvious, if you accept "high-level reasoning" as meaning...well...lets see what Wikipedia says a few lines later, quoting Moravec himself: "As Moravec writes, "it is comparatively easy to make computers exhibit adult level performance on intelligence tests or playing checkers,...". So, I can see the same contradiction in both, in the Wikipedia's definition and in Moravecs statement, in my opinion and i think the common sense opinion,"intelligence tests" sounds very broad or very narrow, but anyway useless to make a point about the point, even more when "playing checkers" is in the same sentence, the common sense is that from playing checkers to the "high-level reasoning" used by Wikipedias definition (makes me laugh, sorry for the sincerity), there is an ocean of distance. The amount of memory required to do real "what-i-call" high-level reasoning can be huge only to store the heuristics algorithms execution codes, not to mention all the "concepts" of "things" and their possible ways of "interaction" and all the interactions and their possible subjects-"things" , and the probable mechanisms that we have no idea are in place, probably driven by the most primitive reaction-reasoning mechanisms, who in heavens knows...just my-an opinin after biting the bait : ) , in form of a light comment. Cheers.

paradoxparalax 8y ago
Just to add a bit about the point of the "AI winter reality check" X "Stephen Hawkings hype", I think both are right and wrong at the same time: I do believe that the analisis of the human reasoning and its simulation in computers can be achieved with much less computing power than that needed by most insects sensorial systems(so in this sense agree with Moravec, but...). The computing power can accelerate learning in a system, but its a question of time and nothing more, it doesnt matter really if you take a week or a year to "set-train-load" a reasoning human level AI, the achievement would be amazing anyway. So is the mistake, in my opinion, of all the wave-of-hype's direction: neural nets is just for acceleration and generation of datasets(what you say!? yes, generation, thats what they are really for, totally contrarilly to the world's opinion : ) !!! ) and , obviously for the "lesser utility" of sensorial system autonomous programming, that is what they are using it for right now, but it have nothing to do with "Reasoning Intelligence", that would be, in ma humble opinion, lets say, a programm that could take part and give some insigthful contribution in the famous talk between Albert Einstein and Rabindranath Tagore.[1] That said, I do belive a non-neural net "real deal" AI is just around the corner, not that far, really, and here maybe I do tend a bit to the "Hawkings-hype" people, but completely differently from them, I do believe it has nothing to do with neural nets(that are just tools), and are...lets say: "non-neural networks heuristic based".
- elcomet 8y ago
  Your text is unreadable on mobile. Can you remove the code tag?
  - paradoxparalax 8y ago
    Sorry, It was not the intention to put the code tag, I tried to edit it to remove the scroll bar, but I couldnt, have to learn more about this, first timer.
    - TotempaaltJ 8y ago
      I think the code tag shows up when you indent a line of text. Check if there's any spaces at the start of your message.
    - elcomet 8y ago
      No worries!

paradoxparalax 8y ago

Just to add a bit about the point of the "AI winter reality check" X "Stephen Hawkings hype", I think both are right and wrong at the same time: I do believe that the analisis of the human reasoning and its simulation in computers can be achieved with much less computing power than that needed by most insects sensorial systems(so in this sense agree with Moravec, but...). The computing power can accelerate learning in a system, but its a question of time and nothing more, it doesnt matter really if you take a week or a year to "set-train-load" a reasoning human level AI, the achievement would be amazing anyway. So is the mistake, in my opinion, of all the wave-of-hype's direction: neural nets is just for acceleration and generation of datasets(what you say!? yes, generation, thats what they are really for, totally contrarilly to the world's opinion : ) !!! ) and , obviously for the "lesser utility" of sensorial system autonomous programming, that is what they are using it for right now, but it have nothing to do with "Reasoning Intelligence", that would be, in ma humble opinion, lets say, a programm that could take part and give some insigthful contribution in the famous talk between Albert Einstein and Rabindranath Tagore.[1] That said, I do belive a non-neural net "real deal" AI is just around the corner, not that far, really, and here maybe I do tend a bit to the "Hawkings-hype" people, but completely differently from them, I do believe it has nothing to do with neural nets(that are just tools), and are...lets say: "non-neural networks heuristic based".

elcomet 8y ago
Your text is unreadable on mobile. Can you remove the code tag?
- paradoxparalax 8y ago
  Sorry, It was not the intention to put the code tag, I tried to edit it to remove the scroll bar, but I couldnt, have to learn more about this, first timer.
  - TotempaaltJ 8y ago
    I think the code tag shows up when you indent a line of text. Check if there's any spaces at the start of your message.
  - elcomet 8y ago
    No worries!