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I suppose it's perpetuating the idea that a government is representative of all its people: the spies are from the people of China, as opposed to the government

I suppose it's perpetuating the idea that a government is representative of all its people: the spies are from the people of China, as opposed to the government of the PRC.

Raphmedia 8y ago
> A 21-page indictment filed in US District Court in the Southern District of California said the Jiangsu Province Ministry of State Security, an arm of the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security, directed the five-year campaign. How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies.
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies. CCP spies? Chinese Communist spies? Personally, I've been trying to correct my use of China/Chinese to "Communist Party" when talking about PRC government topics. I think that's more accurate since the PRC government dominates the Chinese people more than it represents them.
mulmen 8y ago
I'm aware of the difference between the Chinese government and the people of China in the same way I can distinguish between the people of Russia and their government. Same for Germany, the US or any other country. This race card play is diversionary.
- thereare5lights 8y ago
  Then you must also be aware that a very large amount of people are not aware of or don't care about the difference. The race blind card exists as well.
  - mulmen 8y ago
    The headline is not "racist" it just doesn't explicitly differentiate between the people of the country and the government of that country. Calling it racism changes the topic of the conversation without starting a substantive conversation about racism or the relationship between citizens and their government.
    - thereare5lights 8y ago
      > The headline is not "racist" The consequence remains the same with the people I mention that don't care about or are aware of the difference between: > it just doesn't explicitly differentiate between the people of the country and the government of that country. > Calling it racism changes the topic of the conversation without starting a substantive conversation about racism or the relationship between citizens and their government. Ignoring the fact that we have a very, very large amount of shitty people that will start using this to do racist things is just as problematic.

I suppose it's perpetuating the idea that a government is representative of all its people: the spies are from the people of China, as opposed to the government of the PRC.

Raphmedia 8y ago

> A 21-page indictment filed in US District Court in the Southern District of California said the Jiangsu Province Ministry of State Security, an arm of the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security, directed the five-year campaign. How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies.

eiaoa 8y ago
> How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies. CCP spies? Chinese Communist spies? Personally, I've been trying to correct my use of China/Chinese to "Communist Party" when talking about PRC government topics. I think that's more accurate since the PRC government dominates the Chinese people more than it represents them.

mulmen 8y ago

I'm aware of the difference between the Chinese government and the people of China in the same way I can distinguish between the people of Russia and their government. Same for Germany, the US or any other country. This race card play is diversionary.

thereare5lights 8y ago
Then you must also be aware that a very large amount of people are not aware of or don't care about the difference. The race blind card exists as well.
- mulmen 8y ago
  The headline is not "racist" it just doesn't explicitly differentiate between the people of the country and the government of that country. Calling it racism changes the topic of the conversation without starting a substantive conversation about racism or the relationship between citizens and their government.
  - thereare5lights 8y ago
    > The headline is not "racist" The consequence remains the same with the people I mention that don't care about or are aware of the difference between: > it just doesn't explicitly differentiate between the people of the country and the government of that country. > Calling it racism changes the topic of the conversation without starting a substantive conversation about racism or the relationship between citizens and their government. Ignoring the fact that we have a very, very large amount of shitty people that will start using this to do racist things is just as problematic.