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So is this anything the US hasn't already done to others or is this actually a scandal?

• presscast 8y ago
  Even if the US already did it, it's still scandalous.
• kevin_b_er 8y ago
  This is whataboutism in an attempt to distract from moral turpitude of Chinese actions with "what about the US?" It is bad either way.
  • prions 8y ago
    This is the same tired argument that's dragged out anytime people raise concerns about using Chinese hardware. >I don't care if the Chinese government has my data, I'm not a Chinese citizen >The US spies as well >The US did something wrong in the last 100 years, therefore you shouldn't complain that China did it last week
    • pluma 8y ago
      No, the question is this: The US is doing certain things that seem outrageous. The US is supposedly an ally of my country. China is not explicitly an ally (just a trade partner). So if the US spies on us, that's scandalous but it significantly lowers the bar for what I expect our non-allies to do to us. It's not whataboutism, it's a precedent by which all future actions are measured. I'm not discounting the news story, I'm asking whether this is just a news story that will be forgotten about in a few weeks or so, or whether this is a total shift in expectations like when we found out what the US was doing to its own allies.
  • pluma 8y ago
    Yes, it's bad. But I'm trying to figure out if this is "business as usual" or crossing a line. I'm not a US citizen so the US spying on me is already scandalous but if the US is doing it, I expect countries that aren't our allies to do the same.