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Fedora 29 is the most brilliant release of Linux yet. Gnome 3.30 is brilliant and probably can tempt you away from OSX. Oh and if that isnt good enough - check

Fedora 29 is the most brilliant release of Linux yet. Gnome 3.30 is brilliant and probably can tempt you away from OSX. Oh and if that isnt good enough - check out https://www.protondb.com/explore?page=0&sort=playerCount https://www.protondb.com/explore?page=0&sort=playerCount to play windows-only Steam games on Linux

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
Compatibility with Steam games was one of the big reasons I recently switched from Fedora to Ubuntu. Don't get me wrong, there's a great community behind Fedora's Steam support and I'm glad to hear it works for you, but I found a few things to be a bit more "fiddly" than they needed to be (the fact that I'm running on an Optimus laptop surely doesn't help). Agreed on Gnome 3.30, I know desktop environments are controversial around these parts for some reason but I think it's fantastic.
v_lisivka 8y ago
Pantheon Desktop[0] from ElementaryOS (Ubuntu based distro) is even better for former MacOS users. It proposed for Fedora 30[1]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MxN0J9ZxVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MxN0J9ZxVI [1]: https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg249136.html https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg249136.html
- solarkraft 8y ago
  I like Pantheon. It is light and fast, written in Vala. But why would they switch to it?
  - maaarghk 8y ago
    I think the proposal is just to add it to the package manager (and keep it maintained.)
Yhippa 8y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNA-Q8fQqTc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNA-Q8fQqTc You are right, that is very cool. It seems like they're definitely kicking it up a notch. I like the notes and podcast apps.
- ken 8y ago
  I think it's interesting that they're now bragging about how non-spatial the file manager is. That's certainly not the way to "tempt me away" from the Mac.
russdpale 8y ago
After recently trying all of the top distros, fedora is light uears beyons the others, imo. I use the lxde spin and it runs amazingly well. I love it so much I use it on powerful hardware as well. All around just a superb distro.
cwyers 8y ago
So, when my then-girlfriend and I moved in together a long time ago, she brought with her a bottle of vegan Worchestershire sauce. I tried it at one point, next to a bottle of Lea and Perrins, and I concluded that the only way you could possibly consider it a substitute for Worchestershire sauce was if you had completely forgotten what Worchestershire sauce tastes like, and were going off of some really hazy memories of it.* I think of that bottle of ersatz Worchestershire sauce whenever I hear from Linux advocates who say that some piece of GUI software is as good as a big commercial project in the GUI realm. My experience with Linux window manager solutions is that they look good in screenshots but whenever you go to use them, the fit and finish just isn't there. * I wouldn't say soy sauce tastes all that much like Worchestershire sauce, but it's a far closer substitute than anything I've seen labelled as vegan Worchestershire.
- gregknicholson 8y ago
  I started a new job yesterday where I have to use macOS. I'd prefer to use GNOME. I haven't been using macOS for any serious work yet, but so far it feels a lot clunkier and messier. It's like an idiot butler. I'm making an effort to use it with the default settings, as it was designed, rather than trying to bend it towards my workflow. I'll see how it goes, but so far macOS is nowhere near competitive with Fedora in terms of polish.
  - O_H_E 8y ago
    If you decide that you wanna bend it, you would be pleased to search r/unixporn for the [aqua] tag where people remake their workflows for macos
- gnomewascool 8y ago
  > I think of that bottle of ersatz Worchestershire sauce whenever I hear from Linux advocates who say that some piece of GUI software is as good as a big commercial project in the GUI realm. I don't think that this is at all fair. Some anecdata: I can't compare GNOME with macOS, as I haven't used either, but when I switched from Windows 7 to Ubuntu/Unity, I honestly felt that Unity was far superior both in terms of usability and degree of "polish", to the extent that during the transition time, while still dual-booting, I futilely tried to make Windows more Unity-like. Further counterexamples: Firefox vs IE, VLC vs Windows Media Player, etc. (Yes, in most of these cases the FOSS version has/had a large organisation behind it, to some degree, but then so does GNOME, at least for the moment.)
andrepd 8y ago
I've tried Gnome 3 about 3 or 4 times now, and I've been frustrated back to a sane DE every time. What is different now?
- Tharkun 8y ago
  Nothing. It's still horrible. I'm glad you called it a desktop environment and not a window manager, because it's terrible at managing windows. And unlike older Gnome versions, it's hardly even configurable anymore. You can pry my simple tiling window manager from my cold, dead hands.
  - sydney6 8y ago
    Most people who have tried tiling window managers come to the same conclusion. It's a true eye-opener.
    - peatmoss 8y ago
      I think if something like XFCE were to implement xmonad / dwm style tiling, that would be about perfect. I like some of the creature comforts of a desktop environment, but I prefer them to heavy on supporting features, and light on in-your-face features. Also, I cannot stand the ubiquitous hamburger menus of Gnome. I really wish we could all go back to humane menus.
      - narwally 8y ago
        I completely agree. I used to be a heavy xmonad user, but I've had to be on macOS for work the past few years. I've found emacs to be a suitable substitute for a tiling window manager for the majority of my use cases and then have macOS for the creature comforts part. I've been test driving KDE Plasma recently at home, and it's quite nice these days. I wouldn't call it fast compared to other linux desktop environments, but it's pretty snappy compared to the KDE I tried five years ago. It was pretty simple to get it looking and feeling similar to my mac environment, and then emacs is always emacs. I do wish there was a more modern feeling TWM, but for now I like having something family/friends/coworkers can comfortably navigate when the need arises.
h1d 8y ago
It's not the OS that attracts the users, it's the apps. I don't care what OS I use as long as it has enough quality tools but right now none of the two beats macOS for productivity as a web developer.
- shakna 8y ago
  > but right now none of the two beats macOS for productivity as a web developer. What do you use that isn't a first class citizen on the others? What does macOS have for web development that you can't find anywhere else? I am really struggling to work out what applications macOS has for web that would make it anything more than an equal.
  - h1d 8y ago
    SourceTree with simple but featureful interface and I just can't like alternatives. It's not performant but I can live with it. It has Windows support though. SequelPro. Man, is this good for handling databases. I used DataGrip for a while but got fed up with slow and cluttered interface. This is even the reason stopping me from using PostgreSQL as it only supports MySQL. I haven't tried but HeidiSQL seems decent for Windows. ImageOptim. This is the kind of app I like on macOS. Simple, effective and even free. I don't mind paying but interestingly no good alternative for other OS that work on jpg/gif/png/svg exist. Homebrew is pretty good to install newer small tools, like ripgrep, exa and the likes that hasn't made it into apt repos but you don't have to manually download and deploy them in /use/local and keep them up to date. CodeKit, which I don't use often myself but for client side only development, this is very useful but once again, there's only Prepros that comes to my mind as an alternative which also supports Windows but isn't as good. When it comes to image editing for someone who's not a designer like me, Pixelmator is simple, clean looking and powerful enough. There's also Sketch for vector tools which is becoming very popular. Maybe Paint.NET works too for Windows. And with VMWare Fusion, you can test your site on Windows browsers easily but you can't test on macOS from other OS due to licensing. For smaller utilities, Kaleidoscope can show diff of images and folder structures which I sometimes use. No idea about alternatives. Unclutter which can work as quick memo as well as clipboard history. I don't see anything that's as elegant as that. And this is probably most important and not a development app but BetterTouchTool. The comfort of using trackpad with custom gestures just can't be beaten. IDE (Jetbrains) works everywhere though. I just like how most if not all of those have clean interface instead of a dozen menu to start with having 'advanced options' where you can configure more uninteresting options like in casual Windows apps. (Of course except for Jetbrains with hundreds of options but they're there for good reasons.) I see no reason to leave macOS for a while.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago

Compatibility with Steam games was one of the big reasons I recently switched from Fedora to Ubuntu. Don't get me wrong, there's a great community behind Fedora's Steam support and I'm glad to hear it works for you, but I found a few things to be a bit more "fiddly" than they needed to be (the fact that I'm running on an Optimus laptop surely doesn't help). Agreed on Gnome 3.30, I know desktop environments are controversial around these parts for some reason but I think it's fantastic.

v_lisivka 8y ago

Pantheon Desktop[0] from ElementaryOS (Ubuntu based distro) is even better for former MacOS users. It proposed for Fedora 30[1]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MxN0J9ZxVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MxN0J9ZxVI [1]: https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg249136.html https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg249136.html

solarkraft 8y ago
I like Pantheon. It is light and fast, written in Vala. But why would they switch to it?
- maaarghk 8y ago
  I think the proposal is just to add it to the package manager (and keep it maintained.)

Yhippa 8y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNA-Q8fQqTc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNA-Q8fQqTc You are right, that is very cool. It seems like they're definitely kicking it up a notch. I like the notes and podcast apps.

ken 8y ago
I think it's interesting that they're now bragging about how non-spatial the file manager is. That's certainly not the way to "tempt me away" from the Mac.

russdpale 8y ago

After recently trying all of the top distros, fedora is light uears beyons the others, imo. I use the lxde spin and it runs amazingly well. I love it so much I use it on powerful hardware as well. All around just a superb distro.

cwyers 8y ago

So, when my then-girlfriend and I moved in together a long time ago, she brought with her a bottle of vegan Worchestershire sauce. I tried it at one point, next to a bottle of Lea and Perrins, and I concluded that the only way you could possibly consider it a substitute for Worchestershire sauce was if you had completely forgotten what Worchestershire sauce tastes like, and were going off of some really hazy memories of it.* I think of that bottle of ersatz Worchestershire sauce whenever I hear from Linux advocates who say that some piece of GUI software is as good as a big commercial project in the GUI realm. My experience with Linux window manager solutions is that they look good in screenshots but whenever you go to use them, the fit and finish just isn't there. * I wouldn't say soy sauce tastes all that much like Worchestershire sauce, but it's a far closer substitute than anything I've seen labelled as vegan Worchestershire.

gregknicholson 8y ago
I started a new job yesterday where I have to use macOS. I'd prefer to use GNOME. I haven't been using macOS for any serious work yet, but so far it feels a lot clunkier and messier. It's like an idiot butler. I'm making an effort to use it with the default settings, as it was designed, rather than trying to bend it towards my workflow. I'll see how it goes, but so far macOS is nowhere near competitive with Fedora in terms of polish.
- O_H_E 8y ago
  If you decide that you wanna bend it, you would be pleased to search r/unixporn for the [aqua] tag where people remake their workflows for macos
gnomewascool 8y ago
> I think of that bottle of ersatz Worchestershire sauce whenever I hear from Linux advocates who say that some piece of GUI software is as good as a big commercial project in the GUI realm. I don't think that this is at all fair. Some anecdata: I can't compare GNOME with macOS, as I haven't used either, but when I switched from Windows 7 to Ubuntu/Unity, I honestly felt that Unity was far superior both in terms of usability and degree of "polish", to the extent that during the transition time, while still dual-booting, I futilely tried to make Windows more Unity-like. Further counterexamples: Firefox vs IE, VLC vs Windows Media Player, etc. (Yes, in most of these cases the FOSS version has/had a large organisation behind it, to some degree, but then so does GNOME, at least for the moment.)

andrepd 8y ago

I've tried Gnome 3 about 3 or 4 times now, and I've been frustrated back to a sane DE every time. What is different now?

Tharkun 8y ago
Nothing. It's still horrible. I'm glad you called it a desktop environment and not a window manager, because it's terrible at managing windows. And unlike older Gnome versions, it's hardly even configurable anymore. You can pry my simple tiling window manager from my cold, dead hands.
- sydney6 8y ago
  Most people who have tried tiling window managers come to the same conclusion. It's a true eye-opener.
  - peatmoss 8y ago
    I think if something like XFCE were to implement xmonad / dwm style tiling, that would be about perfect. I like some of the creature comforts of a desktop environment, but I prefer them to heavy on supporting features, and light on in-your-face features. Also, I cannot stand the ubiquitous hamburger menus of Gnome. I really wish we could all go back to humane menus.
    - narwally 8y ago
      I completely agree. I used to be a heavy xmonad user, but I've had to be on macOS for work the past few years. I've found emacs to be a suitable substitute for a tiling window manager for the majority of my use cases and then have macOS for the creature comforts part. I've been test driving KDE Plasma recently at home, and it's quite nice these days. I wouldn't call it fast compared to other linux desktop environments, but it's pretty snappy compared to the KDE I tried five years ago. It was pretty simple to get it looking and feeling similar to my mac environment, and then emacs is always emacs. I do wish there was a more modern feeling TWM, but for now I like having something family/friends/coworkers can comfortably navigate when the need arises.

h1d 8y ago

It's not the OS that attracts the users, it's the apps. I don't care what OS I use as long as it has enough quality tools but right now none of the two beats macOS for productivity as a web developer.

shakna 8y ago
> but right now none of the two beats macOS for productivity as a web developer. What do you use that isn't a first class citizen on the others? What does macOS have for web development that you can't find anywhere else? I am really struggling to work out what applications macOS has for web that would make it anything more than an equal.
- h1d 8y ago
  SourceTree with simple but featureful interface and I just can't like alternatives. It's not performant but I can live with it. It has Windows support though. SequelPro. Man, is this good for handling databases. I used DataGrip for a while but got fed up with slow and cluttered interface. This is even the reason stopping me from using PostgreSQL as it only supports MySQL. I haven't tried but HeidiSQL seems decent for Windows. ImageOptim. This is the kind of app I like on macOS. Simple, effective and even free. I don't mind paying but interestingly no good alternative for other OS that work on jpg/gif/png/svg exist. Homebrew is pretty good to install newer small tools, like ripgrep, exa and the likes that hasn't made it into apt repos but you don't have to manually download and deploy them in /use/local and keep them up to date. CodeKit, which I don't use often myself but for client side only development, this is very useful but once again, there's only Prepros that comes to my mind as an alternative which also supports Windows but isn't as good. When it comes to image editing for someone who's not a designer like me, Pixelmator is simple, clean looking and powerful enough. There's also Sketch for vector tools which is becoming very popular. Maybe Paint.NET works too for Windows. And with VMWare Fusion, you can test your site on Windows browsers easily but you can't test on macOS from other OS due to licensing. For smaller utilities, Kaleidoscope can show diff of images and folder structures which I sometimes use. No idea about alternatives. Unclutter which can work as quick memo as well as clipboard history. I don't see anything that's as elegant as that. And this is probably most important and not a development app but BetterTouchTool. The comfort of using trackpad with custom gestures just can't be beaten. IDE (Jetbrains) works everywhere though. I just like how most if not all of those have clean interface instead of a dozen menu to start with having 'advanced options' where you can configure more uninteresting options like in casual Windows apps. (Of course except for Jetbrains with hundreds of options but they're there for good reasons.) I see no reason to leave macOS for a while.