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Fedora 29
- rhexs 8y agoAnd, just as Fedora's mind share was really starting to take off, specifically with the HN crowd, IBM goes and buys the company.
- jhall1468 8y agoFedora has been around a long time, so I'm not sure why you think it added mind share. Ubuntu and Arch laser focused on certain audiences and Fedora really couldn't find a home between the two.
- rdtsc 8y agoFedora is a proving ground for new features in RHEL usually.
- astrodust 8y agoIt's a proving ground for new features in Linux in general. systemd, unified /usr and /bin, ip vs. ifconfig were all things that Fedora was quick to apply, consequences be damned, in the name of staying cutting edge. It's annoying as all hell sometimes but if you use Fedora you're already used to things that suddenly land in other distributions and cause strife. Now if only they could switch to ufw from firewalld...
- ineedtosleep 8y agoIndeed. I think the handling of Fedora (and/or maybe even CentOS?) will be the main indicator of where IBM is heading with the Red Hat acquisition. Personally, I hope their actions are quick if they do anything negative. I use Fedora and CentOS a good amount and would like to know sooner, rather than later, if I should move to a different distro.
- gnanesh 8y agoWill Red Hat's acquisition hurt fedora?
- jhall1468 8y agoUbuntu already put Fedora on life support so at this point if it dies, it certainly won't be because of IBM.
- rdtsc 8y ago> Ubuntu already put Fedora on life support so at this point if it dies How so? Is there some official statement from Fedora? That's surprising.
- jhall1468 8y agoNope, this is about usage statistics. Fedora was huge years ago, but Ubuntu has taken the "easy" desktop user, Arch has taken the power user and there's a ton of competition in the server space, with CentOS being an effective drop-in replacement. Fedora just doesn't really have a home anymore and hasn't done anything to really set itself aside from the competition.
- rwmj 8y agoApart from being an integrated, polished distro that brings together all the latest development tools. And being the basis of RHEL, CentOS etc. And the distro used by tons of Linux developers. Yeah it's done nothing at all.
- simion314 8y ago>And being the basis of RHEL Fedora users are testers for RedHat, this does not mean that next RH release will be identical to Fedora from today, as an example the current RH uses a classical GNOME setup by default in a way telling us that GNOME UX innovations were not appreciated by RH for the workstations
- MickerNews 8y agoAnyone remember when IBM was really keen on Linux around fifteen years ago? If they'd only followed through they would have had their own flavour and business to run into the ground.
- sandGorgon 8y agoFedora 29 is the most brilliant release of Linux yet. Gnome 3.30 is brilliant and probably can tempt you away from OSX. Oh and if that isnt good enough - check out https://www.protondb.com/explore?page=0&sort=playerCount https://www.protondb.com/explore?page=0&sort=playerCount to play windows-only Steam games on Linux
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y agoCompatibility with Steam games was one of the big reasons I recently switched from Fedora to Ubuntu. Don't get me wrong, there's a great community behind Fedora's Steam support and I'm glad to hear it works for you, but I found a few things to be a bit more "fiddly" than they needed to be (the fact that I'm running on an Optimus laptop surely doesn't help). Agreed on Gnome 3.30, I know desktop environments are controversial around these parts for some reason but I think it's fantastic.
- v_lisivka 8y agoPantheon Desktop[0] from ElementaryOS (Ubuntu based distro) is even better for former MacOS users. It proposed for Fedora 30[1]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MxN0J9ZxVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MxN0J9ZxVI [1]: https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg249136.html https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg249136.html
- solarkraft 8y agoI like Pantheon. It is light and fast, written in Vala. But why would they switch to it?
- maaarghk 8y agoI think the proposal is just to add it to the package manager (and keep it maintained.)
- Yhippa 8y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNA-Q8fQqTc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNA-Q8fQqTc You are right, that is very cool. It seems like they're definitely kicking it up a notch. I like the notes and podcast apps.
- Tepix 8y agoRHEL 8 is overdue, i guess it will use this as its base?
- bubblethink 8y agorhel uses several fedora versions as base. A closed alpha of rhel 8 is already in circulation. So they've used at least a few prior versions already.
- reacharavindh 8y agoAnyone else getting 403 Forbidden when trying to download Fedora 29? https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fedora/linux/releases/29/Workstation/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-29-1.2.iso https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fedora/linux/releases/29/Workstat...
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- adevx 8y agoI am at this very moment switching from Fedora 29 ( I was on the early Beta) to Ubuntu because of the acquisition by IBM. It just doesn't sit right with me. Just made the last backup before plugging in the USB with Ubuntu 18.10.
- mprev 8y agoI find these knee jerk reactions fascinating. What about IBM do you know that makes you feel this way? What about Red Hat made you happy to continue using Fedora? What about Canonical makes you consider Ubuntu to be better for your purposes? This feels like the equivalent of switching from cow's milk to almond milk for ethical reasons. There's not an improvement, you're just making a different set of compromises.
- mixmastamyk 8y agoYeah, have no dog in the race, but was surprised by all the negativity toward IBM yesterday. I don't have nearly the bad feelings towards them that I do say MS or Oracle. Also they've supported Linux a lot, at least ten years ago, unsure if that continues. Basically they exited from all the markets I cared about in recent years and became a non-entity, meh.
- izacus 8y agoI guess there's just a lot of us around who had exceedingly terrible experience with anything IBM.
- mixmastamyk 8y agoAfter a bit of thought remembered the recent episode where they fired their old-timers, that's a negative.
- rnd0 8y ago> unsure if that continues. This. This is what is behind the so-called negativity. IBM has been an exemplary open source citizen; but it's very fragmented with conflicting internal fiefdoms which means no one can count on them continuing to be supportive. People are reacting to the scale of the merger, the stakes involved for the community at large (GCC, etc) and what happens with most large mergers and they're very anxious. And not without very good reason...
- jamesfmilne 8y agoFedora 29 Release Notes https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f29/release-notes/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f29/release-note... Unfortunately they are half-empty!
- mattdm 8y agoYeah, help wanted on the docs team :)
- gepi79 8y agoI switched from Fedora 28 to Ubuntu because I could not make my IDE (IntelliJ, Netbeans, maybe Eclipse too) recognize the installed Fedora JDK (no valid JDK found). It seems that this has been a common problem for years.
- eropple 8y agoIf it couldn't find a JDK, it usually means you didn't install the appropriate `-devel` package. (This is consistent across RHEL derivatives.)
- gepi79 8y agoIt is a problem if the default JDK is useless and the solution requires research on the internet. I had even enough patience to search for more than 15 minutes AFAIR. I have been using Windows and other Linux distributions including Arch Linux for years and never had problems with the JDK.
- eropple 8y agoYou didn't install a JDK, though. You installed a JRE. (Ubuntu does this too, BTW - openjdk-N-jre versus openjdk-N-jdk.) If you Google "fedora jdk install" I get this page: https://openjdk.java.net/install/ https://openjdk.java.net/install/ Which says pretty clearly: "The java-1.8.0-openjdk package contains just the Java Runtime Environment. If you want to develop Java programs then install the java-1.8.0-openjdk-devel package." The standard package is to run software, not to compile software. Because most people who manage systems--hi--want to know what can be built on a system (and, more importantly, what can't be). You might not like that, and that's totally fine, but it's consistent and in my experience distros that have trouble with that (CentOS never, Ubuntu rarely, Arch rather often) quickly become ones I don't consider reliable.
- gepi79 8y agoThanks. AFAIR I installed everything related to Java; maybe I made a mistake somewhere. I also tried to fix the problem with "alternatives --config java".
- classichasclass 8y agoLooking forward to F29 on my Talos II (currently a very satisfied F28 user except for the problems with the provided Firefox package which I must build from source currently), but I'll wait a bit for all the mirrors to catch up.
- GautamGoel 8y agoWhat do you think of the Talos?
- classichasclass 8y agoI really like it. It runs fairly cool and quiet, the hardware works great and the software support is now at the point it can be a daily driver. Plus, it builds Firefox at -j24 in a half hour (I have an 8-core SMT-4 system). If the sticker price on the big T2 makes you shiver, wait for the Blackbird, but Power ISA on the desktop is totally viable again as a workstation.
- jarcane 8y agoThis release is particularly exciting because it’s the first to include the Fedora Modularity feature across all our different variants. Modularity lets us ship different versions of packages on the same Fedora base. This means you no longer need to make your whole OS upgrade decisions based on individual package versions. For example, you can choose Node.js version 8 or version 10, on either Fedora 28 or Fedora 29. Or you can choose between a version of Kubernetes which matches OpenShift Origin, and a module stream which follows the upstream. I continue to be bewildered by the idea that this should be a foreign concept, that individual third-party software versions should not be tied directly to OS update releases. Literally no operating system works like this except Linux. At least Fedora is more prompt about keeping up to day than other distros.
- elcomet 8y agoThis is because packages relie on each other to work. They don't just bundle all their dependencies. So maintainers have to update package based on the dependancies version that are in the repositories. Every package updating alone (or updating all its dependancies) might make everything break on the system. So there is a compromise here to get smaller packages, that don't bundle everything but reuse other packages. If you want packages that bundle everything, then you can use snap / flatpack, they are exactly designed for this.
- jarcane 8y agoThe only reason this is even an issue is because Linux distros insist on clinging to dynamic linking absolutely everything, out of some outdated 90s-era assumptions about disk conservation, and package availability. Because often in those days downloading new packages wasn't an option because you might not even have internet at home, distros just bundled every known bit of software they could think of on the CD (Remember Walnut Creek?). But it's 2018. Even cell phone 3G is fast enough to deal with Linux deps. Disks are huge outside embedded spaces where the last thing you want to do is install a zillion random Linux deps anyway. Literally every programming language on the planet has tools to manage dependencies per-project, and it's best practice to lock a known good version of any libraries for a program anyway. Which means the only remaining concern is system-level compatibility issues, which shouldn't be a problem for normal userland software anyway, and if anything should allow for and expect failure. It's not something you should be tying the entire OS release and update cycle to for your entire software ecosystem. And yet, despite years of Linus screaming "DON'T BREAK USERLAND", distros still are built, and almost have to be built, on the assumption that everything is an interdependent house of cards that could break at any time. And the disk space arguments that consumed Usenet for years on end have become meaningless anyway, because software winds up having to link to specific versions of libs anyway, so most distros have to maintain a bunch of separate version packages anyway. Like I said: no other OS has this problem to this degree. OS X, Windows, hell even FreeBSD keeps pkg/ports distinct from the core system. I have never on any of these had to wait six months or side load just to get an up-to-date version of my tools. And we all know this: why do you think every damn language has its own package manager now? Why everyone has to maintain a ~/.local/bin, and indeed: why snap/flatpack ever had to exist in the first place. tl;dr: I know damn well why it is this way, but it's dumb, and while I'm glad someone's finally fixing it, that doesn't make it any less baffling it took this many years to do so.
- lucas_membrane 8y agoThe page for updating 28 -> 29 is not updated, although it is linked to the article.
- ryanmccullagh 8y agoMaybe I should switch, but I like apt too much. Problems I'm having with Ubuntu 16.04.5 on my laptop now: - Keyboard will stop working sometimes after waking up from sleep - Shut down randomly turns into a restart
- sandov 8y agoI'm staying on 16.04 because I prefer Unity over any other DE. No problems so far, but after it becomes too much of a burden I'll have to switch to Mint with Cinnamon.
- hiram112 8y agoPlease tell me the fonts have been fixed. We've waited years for the 1998 Linux font tendering to have caught up with, at least, Win 2000. There was dozens of X Font Server patches that never worked. Then illegal downloads of MS TeueType fonts that were a little better*, but still infuriating. Then fontconfig examples from hundreds of blogs and forums. Then forks of forks of some dude's Arch Infinality tweaks that kind of worked, but not really. Then Google released a bunch of professional Android and Web fonts which got us closer... Then a bunch of patents expired - finally we'd be on par with Win XP or OSX Tiger.... In 2016. Last I heard, a bunch of Microsoft 's Open Initiative patents would allow Win 7 level rendering (though MacOS and Win10 have gotten even better). I gave up a whole ago and just bought a Mac.
- dman 8y agoIf they are fixed will you really switch platforms?
- awaisraad 8y agoI am always excited to spend 1,2 hours of my life updating Fedora every six month, so I could get its new wallpapers.