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They are slower generally. I know this because most bikes pass me on my daily commute. Maybe 10% of cyclists ride slower, my old bike used to have a speedometer
by throwaway83628 8y ago
They are slower generally. I know this because most bikes pass me on my daily commute. Maybe 10% of cyclists ride slower, my old bike used to have a speedometer and I averaged 18-22 mph over long distances.
Also keep in mind that the motors are voltage limited at ~15mph. Near that speed, acceleration is basically zero, whereas a bike can accelerate further rather easily.
Acceleration is definitely slower than a bike. Maybe half as much. The scooters are usually 250w but only ~170 makes it to the wheels. Bike riders average 200-300w output and when they first get moving people tend to put in more effort, maybe 400-500 watts. The low speed efficiency of the motors is also terrible, probably less than 100 watts to the ground below 7 mph. I get passed by bikes in straights and between lights every day, and pass only a few bikers a week myself.
Lack of turn signals does suck, I hope they fix this. They should be required. I also agree about visibility and smaller wheels.
I disagree about stability, the center of gravity of the vehicle is much lower, and having your body totally unconstraind with feet inches off the ground makes it far easier to bail. I've flown over the handlebars on a bike more than once because the high CG and large wheels, got severely injured once. Bailing on a scooter is easy and I don't expect anyone in decent shape to get injured because you basically hop off into a brisk run, you can't really do that on a bike.
I've been riding scooters much more than most, close to 5 miles a day, and to me taking one hand off the handlebars is fairly easy. It also feels slower than a bike to me, and sometimes I'll give it a kick start for the first couple seconds. A lot of the reason they feel fast and unstable is because hardly anyone has ridden them much IMO
- nradov 8y agoMost cyclists can't maintain a speed of 18mph or a power output of 200w for very long. People who are in good shape and train for cycling can do it, but the average rider out on the street is probably putting out 150w or less. Check the estimated power numbers on some popular urban Strava segments.
- rhinoceraptor 8y agoEspecially on a hybrid/commuter bike, with panniers or a backpack, dirty drivechain, flat pedals and tires that aren't pumped up all the way.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y agoYep. I can ride this speed and maintain it, but I definitely wouldn’t be riding that fast to work or I’d need a shower. Commuter bicycle speed is closer to 13mph. It’s why lights in cities that are optimized for bicycles are optimized for that speed: https://denver.streetsblog.org/2016/04/11/dpw-syncs-signals-on-16th-ave-to-give-cyclists-a-green-wave/ https://denver.streetsblog.org/2016/04/11/dpw-syncs-signals-... (if anything, I find my pace closer to 10mph when I'm riding to work) Either way, these bikes are on a bike path which is a safe space for them and they're moving closer to the speed of cars. Most scooters, in Denver at least, are operated on the side walk, so you have pedestrians sharing space with 15mph SILENT scooters.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 8y agoCommuters in most cities are simply not traveling anywhere near 18mph on a bicycle.