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"It's not that nobody knows how to cite it, it's that nobody wants to cite things from outside of academia, perhaps because it lowers their own perceived presti
by timr 8y ago
"It's not that nobody knows how to cite it, it's that nobody wants to cite things from outside of academia, perhaps because it lowers their own perceived prestige."
Unlikely. I can't speak for everybody, but I can speak for myself, and I would be extremely hesitant to cite a random webpage in a journal article for several reasons:
1) It can change. ArXiv has versioning, but even so, this is still a problem. You cite something, and months later you go back and find the thing you cited says something slightly different.
1b) It can disappear. Again, less of an issue for ArXiv, but a big problem for any other website. Linkrot is real.
2) There's probably a better source. Maybe in this example a 4chan thread is the original provenance of an idea, but 99 times out of 100, there's a better, original source for the idea.
3) There's no peer review. Peer-review is not a pre-requisite for publication, but if you don't have it, it just makes people more skeptical of your results.
4) It's perceived as lazy. This is closest to your point (i.e. prestige), but not the same. Like it or not, if you cite informal sources in a paper, people start to wonder about the rigor of everything else you do. It's an intangible, but when you're trying to get papers accepted, intangibles count.
Basically, citing a webpage is risky. You avoid it if you can.
- incompatible 8y agoFor a paper in mathematics, perhaps it would be best to quote the entire proof of interest, if it doesn't appear anywhere else in a peer-reviewed publication. That would avoid the link rot problem. Also make sure archive.org has a copy, if possible.
- timr 8y agoSure, you can quote a short proof. But again, that's a niche solution to a niche problem, and it defeats the purpose of having citations. It also doesn't convince anyone else that they should believe the proof you've cited. Archive.org is not a solution to this problem. Nobody is going to go fishing in archive.org for a citation that has disappeared. Even if you have the URL, what is the correct date to use? There are just practical problems with link citations, and you don't need to invent malevolent intent to understand why researchers are reluctant to use them.