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> Windows 10 is buggy. Android is buggy. iOS is buggy. Let's not pretend bugs didn't exist in the pre-agile/scrum era. Bugs have been around as long as softwar

by asaph 8y ago

> Windows 10 is buggy. Android is buggy. iOS is buggy. Let's not pretend bugs didn't exist in the pre-agile/scrum era. Bugs have been around as long as software has been around.

protonimitate 8y ago
I think it's safe to say that bugs are way more predominant in software that used to be reliable. It's not that the software was completely bug free, it's the quantity and quality of the bugs now being presented.
- kasey_junk 8y ago
  I don’t think that’s safe to say at all. I’d love to see research that backed that up. If anything I’d say we might be exposed to more bugs because the quantity of software has gone up, not that quality has gone down.
- asaph 8y ago
  I don't think windows used to be more reliable. It used to crash all the time. Do you remember the blue screen of death[0]? [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death
  - quantummkv 8y ago
    But I don't remember any BSOD wiping all my documents just like that.
    - yoden 8y ago
      I mean windows 95/98 didn't even use a journaled filesystem... a BSOD could wipe your documents...
- deleted 8y ago
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- zerkten 8y ago
  Could it be that since software is just everywhere in our lives, and unless we need a strong enforcement of quality (I'm thinking of safety critical systems, which can still have flaws), then society is OK with it being released in that state? The individual or organization making that call doesn't really get punished, while the upside can get even higher if they can release earlier, faster, etc.
- meijer 8y ago
  There are now more completely obvious bugs in widely used software. It's like developers care less.
eddieroger 8y ago
Honorable mention to the fact that software used to be a lot harder to distribute. Making disks and CDs was slow and expensive, but now we can push a patch any time over the Internet. Why not ship fast when shipping a patch is just easy?
- coldcode 8y ago
  Where I work hot fixes for iOS apps often take more than a month. At a previous job I pushed App Store changes all the time in a day or two (if Apple was willing).
- callalex 8y ago
  Because that inherently means pushing a shitty experience onto your users.

by asaph 8y ago

> Windows 10 is buggy. Android is buggy. iOS is buggy. Let's not pretend bugs didn't exist in the pre-agile/scrum era. Bugs have been around as long as software has been around.

protonimitate 8y ago

I think it's safe to say that bugs are way more predominant in software that used to be reliable. It's not that the software was completely bug free, it's the quantity and quality of the bugs now being presented.

kasey_junk 8y ago
I don’t think that’s safe to say at all. I’d love to see research that backed that up. If anything I’d say we might be exposed to more bugs because the quantity of software has gone up, not that quality has gone down.
asaph 8y ago
I don't think windows used to be more reliable. It used to crash all the time. Do you remember the blue screen of death[0]? [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Screen_of_Death
- quantummkv 8y ago
  But I don't remember any BSOD wiping all my documents just like that.
  - yoden 8y ago
    I mean windows 95/98 didn't even use a journaled filesystem... a BSOD could wipe your documents...
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zerkten 8y ago
Could it be that since software is just everywhere in our lives, and unless we need a strong enforcement of quality (I'm thinking of safety critical systems, which can still have flaws), then society is OK with it being released in that state? The individual or organization making that call doesn't really get punished, while the upside can get even higher if they can release earlier, faster, etc.
meijer 8y ago
There are now more completely obvious bugs in widely used software. It's like developers care less.

eddieroger 8y ago

Honorable mention to the fact that software used to be a lot harder to distribute. Making disks and CDs was slow and expensive, but now we can push a patch any time over the Internet. Why not ship fast when shipping a patch is just easy?

coldcode 8y ago
Where I work hot fixes for iOS apps often take more than a month. At a previous job I pushed App Store changes all the time in a day or two (if Apple was willing).
callalex 8y ago
Because that inherently means pushing a shitty experience onto your users.