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> I think we can just stop doing studies about how exercise is good I heartily disagree. People have limited time. We need to figure out what form of excercise

> I think we can just stop doing studies about how exercise is good I heartily disagree. People have limited time. We need to figure out what form of excercise gives the most benefit for unit of time spent. There is serious disagreement about this (the two camps being cardio vs strength training, basically).

ericmcer 8y ago
Exercise should be enjoyable or people will not do it. The second you start talking about benefit for unit of time spent it becomes a tedious chore. I love rock climbing, I hate running, no statistic about running being more beneficial is going to make me run. I have introduced tons of friends to the gym and my first piece of advice is always just show up and have fun, don’t worry about ideal routines or maximizing output. Just figure out how to make exercise part of your life.
- kozikow 8y ago
  > Exercise should be enjoyable or people will not do it. This is what finally worked for me. I died of boredom jogging or lifting weights. You have to find a sport that you enjoy. I have friends that were unfit and finally climbing did it for them. It was BJJ and MMA for me. I enjoyed tennis/squash, but it's sometimes hard to find an equal partner - same with other "group" sports.
  - camillomiller 8y ago
    I’ve been doing Ashtabga Yoga for years then recently I discovered how fun calisthenics can be if you “gamify” it with a friend, thinking of advanced progressions as videogame-like achievements. Really into it now.
- ip26 8y ago
  I love rock climbing, I hate running, no statistic about running being more beneficial is going to make me run. FWIW this was me two years ago. Then I came to grips with the fact that running is the best training for mountain climbing.
hollerith 8y ago
>the two camps being cardio vs strength training The research being reported on here studied cardio: "cardiorespiratory fitness was inversely associated with all-cause mortality": https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2707428 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...
pen2l 8y ago
> There is serious disagreement about this (the two camps being cardio vs strength training, basically). Huh, strange to hear this. I do strength training (basically a lot of compound lifts like squats and deadlifts and so on) and I consider them to be a cardio. If I do a speedy 12 rep set, I am properly spent and breathing heavy and see my heart rate at 160 and above
- teslaberry 8y ago
  theres no disagreement . moderate strength training preserves muscle mass as you age, consistent preservation of skeletal muscle mass is required to stave off acute muscle degeneration beyond some point in you late 60 to 70s. heart muscle doesnt waste as easily, but moderate cardio, including moderate sprinting can be very useful for keeping a strong heart. endurance cardio has no longevity/healthspan benefits beyond those wrought by virtue of stressing the heart and muscles in the initial moderate dose. freqiency and consistency of above average myscle useage are key to preserving muscle function. also range of motion helps all muscle get used and keeps loads balanced to prevent injury. my grandma is 96. never did a day of cardio running in her life.
- Izkata 8y ago
  > If I do a speedy 12 rep set, I am properly spent That the simplest way to know it's not cardio - you can't sustain it for a long period.
  - croon 8y ago
    Tabata intervals is most definitely cardio, and you can't do a sufficiently hard one more than around 4 minutes.
cryoshon 8y ago
>People have limited time. We need to figure out what form of excercise gives the most benefit for unit of time spent. optimizing for the wrong variable. there's always time which could be spent exercising. people are often too stressed or tired to do it, or don't have enough motivation. flossing your teeth takes four minutes. but how many people do it?
Gatsky 8y ago
> We need to figure out what form of excercise gives the most benefit for unit of time spent. Retrospective observational studies like the one in the original post aren't going to to that though. Although I agree with you in principle, the differences between types of exercise are likely to be small compared to the benefit of doing anything at all. Most of the population aren't that concerned with what type of exercise gives the biggest delta in VO2 max.
anovikov 8y ago
Thing about exercise is that it effectively, doesn't take any time at all because one of the results is that you need to sleep less. In my experience, it at least makes up for the time you spend exercising.
- Tharkun 8y ago
  Source? Exercise certainly makes me sleep more.
  - fphhotchips 8y ago
    Me too. One of the most challenging things about establishing an exercise schedule for me is that, without fail, it makes me feel exhausted for the rest of the day. Therefore, morning sessions just don't work. In the afternoon, there's far more variability in availability and motivation.
  - anovikov 8y ago
    Maybe i am simply not overdoing it, about 30 mins per day 6 days a week, quite light. Did help me to lose 8 kilos in 9 months, still, which was about everything i needed to lose, so i am happy.

ericmcer 8y ago

Exercise should be enjoyable or people will not do it. The second you start talking about benefit for unit of time spent it becomes a tedious chore. I love rock climbing, I hate running, no statistic about running being more beneficial is going to make me run. I have introduced tons of friends to the gym and my first piece of advice is always just show up and have fun, don’t worry about ideal routines or maximizing output. Just figure out how to make exercise part of your life.

kozikow 8y ago
> Exercise should be enjoyable or people will not do it. This is what finally worked for me. I died of boredom jogging or lifting weights. You have to find a sport that you enjoy. I have friends that were unfit and finally climbing did it for them. It was BJJ and MMA for me. I enjoyed tennis/squash, but it's sometimes hard to find an equal partner - same with other "group" sports.
- camillomiller 8y ago
  I’ve been doing Ashtabga Yoga for years then recently I discovered how fun calisthenics can be if you “gamify” it with a friend, thinking of advanced progressions as videogame-like achievements. Really into it now.
ip26 8y ago
I love rock climbing, I hate running, no statistic about running being more beneficial is going to make me run. FWIW this was me two years ago. Then I came to grips with the fact that running is the best training for mountain climbing.

hollerith 8y ago

>the two camps being cardio vs strength training The research being reported on here studied cardio: "cardiorespiratory fitness was inversely associated with all-cause mortality": https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2707428 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

pen2l 8y ago

> There is serious disagreement about this (the two camps being cardio vs strength training, basically). Huh, strange to hear this. I do strength training (basically a lot of compound lifts like squats and deadlifts and so on) and I consider them to be a cardio. If I do a speedy 12 rep set, I am properly spent and breathing heavy and see my heart rate at 160 and above

teslaberry 8y ago
theres no disagreement . moderate strength training preserves muscle mass as you age, consistent preservation of skeletal muscle mass is required to stave off acute muscle degeneration beyond some point in you late 60 to 70s. heart muscle doesnt waste as easily, but moderate cardio, including moderate sprinting can be very useful for keeping a strong heart. endurance cardio has no longevity/healthspan benefits beyond those wrought by virtue of stressing the heart and muscles in the initial moderate dose. freqiency and consistency of above average myscle useage are key to preserving muscle function. also range of motion helps all muscle get used and keeps loads balanced to prevent injury. my grandma is 96. never did a day of cardio running in her life.
Izkata 8y ago
> If I do a speedy 12 rep set, I am properly spent That the simplest way to know it's not cardio - you can't sustain it for a long period.
- croon 8y ago
  Tabata intervals is most definitely cardio, and you can't do a sufficiently hard one more than around 4 minutes.

cryoshon 8y ago

>People have limited time. We need to figure out what form of excercise gives the most benefit for unit of time spent. optimizing for the wrong variable. there's always time which could be spent exercising. people are often too stressed or tired to do it, or don't have enough motivation. flossing your teeth takes four minutes. but how many people do it?

Gatsky 8y ago

> We need to figure out what form of excercise gives the most benefit for unit of time spent. Retrospective observational studies like the one in the original post aren't going to to that though. Although I agree with you in principle, the differences between types of exercise are likely to be small compared to the benefit of doing anything at all. Most of the population aren't that concerned with what type of exercise gives the biggest delta in VO2 max.

anovikov 8y ago

Thing about exercise is that it effectively, doesn't take any time at all because one of the results is that you need to sleep less. In my experience, it at least makes up for the time you spend exercising.

Tharkun 8y ago
Source? Exercise certainly makes me sleep more.
- fphhotchips 8y ago
  Me too. One of the most challenging things about establishing an exercise schedule for me is that, without fail, it makes me feel exhausted for the rest of the day. Therefore, morning sessions just don't work. In the afternoon, there's far more variability in availability and motivation.
- anovikov 8y ago
  Maybe i am simply not overdoing it, about 30 mins per day 6 days a week, quite light. Did help me to lose 8 kilos in 9 months, still, which was about everything i needed to lose, so i am happy.