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Winamp 5.8 Release – First update in 5 years

283 points by Jhsto 8y ago

xvf22 8y ago
Forbes [0] has a rundown of what was fixed/changed in 5.8 along with Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 support. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/19/winamp-5-8-has-been-officially-released-and-supports-windows-10/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/19/winam...
- AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
  >* Removed: All former "Pro" licensed functions (Winamp is now 100% freeware again) Now if only it would be FOSS so that I could get it running on Linux, I could drop Audacious and return to my first love.
  - moonbug 8y ago
    Wine.
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  - tmymt 8y ago
    It's most likely deeply tied into Win32, WASAPI and similar stuff, so even if you had the code, you'd have to rewrite most of it
    - tracker1 8y ago
      It wouldn't surprise me if v6 were mostly a rewrite... Hopefully they target mutliplatform and get the visualizations, equalizer and a few other aspects the same, or very similar. I really do miss the android version, and hope they update and bring it back.
      - Lammy 8y ago
        Nullsoft tried the "ambitious cross-platform open source rewrite" thing in 2002 with Winamp3/WASABI and everyone hated it because it broke all their Winamp 2 plugins :) https://betanews.com/2002/08/10/winamp3-makes-its-official-debut/ https://betanews.com/2002/08/10/winamp3-makes-its-official-d... They went back to the 2.x codebase to release 2.92 and 2.95 before skipping Winamp 4 and jumping to Winamp 5 (2 + 3) which was based on Winamp 2 but with the Wasabi skinning system bolted on.
        tracker1 8y ago
        It's a different day and age... we aren't running shell replacements with winamp integration these days. While we are running iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux and who knows what else. Personally, I lean towards tooling I can use everywhere, even if it is a bulky electron app. Also, the Android version was great imho.
  - Quekid5 8y ago
    No idea what Audacious is doing for you (never used it), but I find that Quod Libet is somewhat in the WinAMP tradition (IIRC) in that it's pretty simple: It has a "library", "queue" and you can basically configure it down to a search field, the list of matches (from your library) and a queue. (Graphically, QL is probably the most boring music player ever, and that's not quite what WinAMP gained popularity for, but functionality-wise I think they're quite close.)
    - AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
      I organize my music library at the file level rather than at the tag level (although I still tag my files, because I have a particular naming scheme I like for everything). This is because I have so much music that it's kept on an external HDD, and I wouldn't be able to properly tag everything to my liking if I spent a hundred years on it. So I've always resisted using the iTunes-like programs that try to organize all my music for me, both due to tagging issues and having the database explode if I disconnect the drive. My music is organized according to my own system, and it works for me. In Winamp, when I wanted to play an album, I opened the directory containing my music, find the artist, right clicked on the album, and selected "Play/Enqueue in Winamp". Winamp would launch, I would immediately minimize it to the system tray, and it would be out of my way except occasionally popping up notifications on Play/Pause/Stop or when tracks changes. It was perfect for my needs. Audacious is the app I found that comes closest to replicating that workflow. I select a folder, "Open With -> Audacious", it kicks off, I close (to tray), and it plays on with occasional notifications. That's all I want. It's also got MPRIS integration so I can control playback from the bar, so that's pretty sweet too.
      - Quekid5 8y ago
        This actually sounds very close to my personal preference -- I just configure Quod Libet to only show full path and the "search everything" functionality lets me just search for the album name and have everything match + Ctrl+A + right-click + Enqueue.
    - KozmoNau7 8y ago
      I'm a big-time fan of QL as well, it's just so ridiculously configurable, and the library management is the best I've ever used. It lets you define your tags to the smallest detail, and use every single one of those tags for organizing it. You can do all sorts of highly specific searches and filters, I think even with full regex support.
  - h0p3 8y ago
    I ended up dropping it for DeaDBeeF, but you might like qmmp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qmmp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qmmp). Not a bad clone.
  - disillusioned1 8y ago
    Audacious (https://audacious-media-player.org https://audacious-media-player.org) and Qmmp (http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com) apparently support Winamp Classic skins.
mahmoudhossam 8y ago
I grew up using Winamp, but I wonder how it will fare in the age of Spotify and streaming services that bring their own player? (and maybe even frown upon using a 3rd party client to access their services).
- ahriman 8y ago
  I grew up using Winamp as well, and XMMS on Linux. This brought back a wave of nostalgia...
- dzek69 8y ago
  I'd love winamp as I remember it to be a client for Google Music, as their app is heavy and very bad ux. Spotify isn't very good either, but Google Music allows me to upload missing mp3's to keep my library full and for that feature I am ready to sacrifice a lot of convenience
  - dzek69 8y ago
    Oh, of course I don't believe in Google music/Spotify/iTunes proving an API for winamp. Reverse engineering is possible here, but will result in ban/lawsuit after it gains some traction. How they're gonna do that then? No idea. Still I dream about alternative client every say
    - supermdguy 8y ago
      Spotify has a playback SDK[0]. It's meant for web use, but it could probably be used to create a custom native player. You'd just need to have a webview somewhere. [0]: https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-playback-sdk/quick-start/ https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-playback-sdk...
      - SSLy 8y ago
        IIRC this is used by Clementine, a QT-based desktop player.
      - 8y ago
syntaxing 8y ago
I might have to install this for nostalgia reasons! But then again, all the streaming services have made my digital library pretty small and obsolete.
atum47 8y ago
Just for Windows? Lame.
- mfringel 8y ago
  It also has no wireless and has less disk space than your Archos.
  - strictnein 8y ago
    Basically the closest thing CmdrTaco will ever have to an infamous Bill Gates-esque '640k' quote, although he actually said it (more or less). I'm sure there's some here that are very confused by this though, so here's the context: https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-i...
- mahmoudhossam 8y ago
  With a "Win" in the name and it being a primarily Windows-only product for all of its ~20 years of its existence, I'm hardly surprised that it is.
  - tracker1 8y ago
    There was an Android version, which was incredibly good... and IIRC there was a MacOS version at one point.
    - SyneRyder 8y ago
      Yup, MacAmp was a thing for a while. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacAmp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacAmp
    - glenneroo 8y ago
      I stopped using the Android version several years ago because it stops playback of Shoutcast streams when running in the background (or when the screen is off). Have you gotten around this somehow?
jedberg 8y ago
So the new Winamp is basically trying to be a not terrible iTunes?
- amiga-workbench 8y ago
  That is not a difficult thing to accomplish.
  - jedberg 8y ago
    And yet would be highly valuable...
- recursive 8y ago
  It has been a non-terrible iTunes since long before iTunes was even a bullet point on an internal Apple strategy presentation.
  - jedberg 8y ago
    Not really. It doesn’t do podcasts. It doesn’t manage video. It can’t load songs into my iPod. Right now iTunes is still better because it has a lot of features that Winamp lacks. But the new version should address that hopefully.
    - Aeolun 8y ago
      Nothing but iTunes can load songs into your iPhone, which is hardly the fault of other software. It does videos as far as I’m aware, though it’s certainly no VLC.
    - boomboomsubban 8y ago
      It does do podcasts and video, and it can't be blamed for Apple locking it out of your iPod. No idea what other features you find it lacking, the best comparison I'm aware of[1] doesn't show a huge difference, but I've never seen the appeal of iTunes. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_player_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_player_sof...
kolderman 8y ago
Given it was all downhill from Winamp3 not sure this really means anything...
partiallypro 8y ago
I installed it and was confused, I guess I assumed this was supposed to be the 'new winamp,' it's not. It's just the same WinAmp I had when I ran XP years ago but with some bug fixes. The new WinAmp won't be released until next year.
- mahmoudhossam 8y ago
  It's Winamp 5.8, I imagine the "new" winamp will probably have a version of 6.0 or higher.
- Krasnol 8y ago
  Sounds like a good reason to get it for the people who still use it.
- ukyrgf 8y ago
  The download button is _below_ a block of text explaining that this isn't new, this is old code that someone leaked, and they're releasing this so you don't download some spyware-riddled version.
iask 8y ago
The EQ and plugins in Winamp is amazing. I’ve yet so see any of the other players come close. You notice the difference when you play this through a PA/DJ system. Back in the days the tools were Winamp, Audiogrbber and Xing MP3 encoder.
- roel_v 8y ago
  But many of the plugins are dead. For example there used to be an OSD plugin, but I haven't been able to get it working for at least 5-6 years.
ivoras 8y ago
So nostalgia, much wow! But to be useful at least for me, it'll need to both accept streaming inputs (i.e. be a client for Google Play or Spotify) and to stream its output to Chromecast. It's a different world now.
- koolba 8y ago
  Is there a generic “Chromecast output” virtual device for Linux? Not just an app that can cast but an OS level device so I can route audio from any app on the fly.
  - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
    Pretty sure this is what you're looking for. It's a plugin for Pulseaudio that adds arbitrary DNLA/Chromecast devices. http://www.webupd8.org/2016/03/how-to-stream-audio-to-chromecast-or.html http://www.webupd8.org/2016/03/how-to-stream-audio-to-chrome... Edit: And if you use Wine with Winamp, you can then steer Winamp to use chromecast as well. And as an aside, I also used Wine to make Windows programs (not the desktop) remote-run by running ssh crankylinuxuser@server -X -f "wine winamp.exe". And with Pulseaudio, redirection is trivial.
    - koolba 8y ago
      This is exactly what I was asking. Thanks!
      - hiisukun 8y ago
        I've used this a reasonable amount, and found it works but is unstable in certain circumstances. In particular, seeking, volume changes, and latency weren't great. YMMV. : )
      - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
        Awesome :) Glad I could help.
  - tracker1 8y ago
msoad 8y ago
There is the web version: https://webamp.org https://webamp.org They are working on an electron wrapper too
- na85 8y ago
  An Electron wrapper? Awesome. I can't wait to use 900 megs of memory to play an mp3.
  - bunnycorn 8y ago
    Why is this a meme? My VSC with a file open sits at 80 megs... I think my 24GB machine can handle it.
    - seba_dos1 8y ago
      Slightly off-topic here, but I'm fairly sure that if you think an Electron app takes only 80 MB of RAM, you're probably miscalculating how much does it really use.
    - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
      Because its not a meme. Look at Discord app. Look at Slack. Or any other Electron bloatware. The executable is .1GB big minimum, and eats memory because it first has to start a browser. Oh, and none of these browsers share memory or anything, so you get X copies of the same thing.
      - biocomputation 8y ago
        Wow, it sounds like you're saying their implementations are incompetent or something? Just kidding, Electron is pigware to the the extreme.
      - unit91 8y ago
        Slack + Slack Helper is 200MB and 0.1% CPU on my machine. Not too bad.
pjmlp 8y ago
Feeling nostalgic, the wasted hours looking for the perfect skin and visualization plugins.
lotonoro 8y ago
Is Winamp still around? Have switched to Foobar many years ago and never looked back...
- stevewillows 8y ago
  I'm in the same boat. Foobar2000 is basically perfect with unlimited ways to customize it, a healthy DSP repository, etc etc. I run it on my windows box but also under WINE for OSX. Nothing else comes close as an all-in-one package for audio.
  - Crontab 8y ago
    I haven't tried it myself but there is a version for macOS now. The newest version was released on Sep 27th 2018: https://www.foobar2000.org/mac https://www.foobar2000.org/mac
    - stevewillows 8y ago
      yeah -- its getting there. That last release was a result of me mentioning darkmode. It was easily the fastest 'can I post a bug somewhere?' to release I've ever seen. The total time was no more than a few minutes. While the mac version is promising, its still missing the powerful organization features that I use the most. Foobar2000 is probably my favorite and most-used piece of software.
diimdeep 8y ago
I tried it on Mac with Wine Works: - Drag and drop from Finder - Icon in Dock - Audio device selection from within preferences Visualization don't work sadly.
adzm 8y ago
Interestingly, I just recently got Milkdrop building from source, and working on making it a standalone application. ProjectM is milkdrop-compatible, but does not have a handy Windows board, and sadly OpenGL support on Windows is not always the best. I've got low-latency streaming input from the loopback device via WASAPI so it works with anything playing audio, but still having some obstacles getting the audio data from those buffers into Milkdrop properly. But still progressing well enough for something I can only hack on occasionally after hours. Whatever it is I'm doing wrong with the PCM data shouldn't be too difficult to figure out eventually. I initially started porting it from DX9 to DX12 but figured getting the audio streaming input is more valuable to start with. Thankfully the kodi team already did a lot of the work with the DX12 migration, but used an older version of the Milkdrop source which doesn't seem to handle the HLSL/shader presets. If there is interest I would happily put the work-in-progress up on GitHub.
- jevinskie 8y ago
  I’d love to see your updates. My friend was commenting a while ago about how Milkdrop’s old DX version limited length of shaders he could write.
- jihadjihad 8y ago
  I, too, would like to see the WIP!
- arthur_pryor 8y ago
  i'd also be super interested in seeing this put up. if i'm being honest with myself i probably wouldn't be able to contribute (lack of time, don't have much C++ experience and even less graphics experience). but i always loved milkdrop, and i'd very definitely use a version that ran as a standalone app off any audio input.
- knaik94 8y ago
  I would also be super interested
- 0x54D5 8y ago
  Please put this out. I've been using Winamp to get visualizations in Spotify but being able to just run milkdrop stand alone would be the best thing ever.
galfarragem 8y ago
Nowadays, I hardly ever listen mp3 but this is a gem: http://mpesch3.de1.cc/1by1.html http://mpesch3.de1.cc/1by1.html
jeffnappi 8y ago
It really whips the llama's ass! [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaF-nRS_CWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaF-nRS_CWM
- kbumsik 8y ago
  What does llama means here?
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  - core-questions 8y ago
    A literal llama. The animal. > Mike the Llama is the company's mascot; this is frequently referred to in promotional material (especially for Winamp) citing llamas. Frankel introduced the llama in Winamp's startup sound clip, inspired by the lyrics of Wesley Willis: "Winamp, it really whips the llama's ass!"[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullsoft
fx1994 8y ago
Switched to Aimp already, too late :/
fx1994 8y ago
Too late, already switched to Aimp.
superasn 8y ago
A very useful Winamp feature was automatically tagging and updating all mp3s using Gracenote(?). Then suddenly this feature stopped working. Hope they fixed it in this latest release.
- bunnycorn 8y ago
  Probably they don't have the public API anymore.
- dcbadacd 8y ago
  You can always use MusicBrainz Picard?
  - zmix 8y ago
    Jaikoz, while Shareware, is the most powerful amd (Java) cross platform. It also uses MusicBrainz.
pronoiac 8y ago
Non-Windows peeps, I got you fam: https://webamp.org/ https://webamp.org/ You can drag local files into the queue. And look, over 5k skins: https://archive.org/details/winampskins https://archive.org/details/winampskins
- sangnoir 8y ago
  Is this open-source or is there a plan to make it a Desktop PWA? Late 90's me wouldn't believe this would ever be possible without using plugins. What a time to be alive.
  - brazzledazzle 8y ago
    https://github.com/captbaritone/webamp https://github.com/captbaritone/webamp
  - captbaritone 8y ago
    Yeah! We're working on it. The multi-window layout of Winamp may make it hard to make a desktop PWA a bit awkward, but we're looking into it. Come hand out in our Discord server if you want to help or just hang out: https://discord.gg/mnPRh2p https://discord.gg/mnPRh2p
- captbaritone 8y ago
  Thanks for the mention! It's probably worth calling out that the Internet Archive page has Webamp integration, so every skin's preview is actually a live Webamp instance.
- ralgozino 8y ago
  I've just clicked the link in my phone expecting a big "you can't use this on your phone, please use a proper computing device" message and instead I got a fully working Winamp. Color me impressed. Hats off top the developers.
  - captbaritone 8y ago
    Wow, thanks for the nice words. Getting it to work (more or less) on mobile was (and continues to be) a fun challenge.
qubax 8y ago
It really whips the llama's ass! Wow, I haven't heard of or used winamp since the early 2000s. What's next? mIRC or napster?
- unstuckdev 8y ago
  mIRC is still under active development.
hestefisk 8y ago
Oh the glory days of X11Amp.
sytelus 8y ago
Quick question: Is this really free from malware?
sys_64738 8y ago
Can it do anything VLC can't? I haven't used WinAMP since the late-90s.
- escherplex 8y ago
  No. Plus install it with the classic skin and it can remind you of the old Napster days running Win98. And possibly of your first exposure to computer viruses which taught you to backup everything externally that you wouldn't be willing to lose given that at any time you may be forced to perform a complete system reinstall. :)
- avinassh 8y ago
  I tried and for me, I will use it only for reasons of nostalgia. There is some thrill to hear that old intro voice. Technically, I really don't think it can do anything more than VLC. And if you still want to stick with VLC, you can always try Winamp skin for VLC [0]. It works but it's not that smooth. [0] - https://www.videolan.org/vlc/skins.php?sort=downloads https://www.videolan.org/vlc/skins.php?sort=downloads
- aritiva 8y ago
  Winamp had a nice and accessible plugin called AVS, where you could code your own VJ effects.
- yetanotherjosh 8y ago
  It's logo isn't a traffic cone.
eps 8y ago
I would take this supposed "leak" with a big grain on salt. AOL sold WinAmp to acompany called Radionomy (back in 2014). For some reason the latter is now aggressively marketing and hyping the "revival" of WinAmp, dropping the llama ass references and otherwise milking the legacy of what stopped being a truly notable player at 2.95 release 15 years ago.
- yetanotherjosh 8y ago
  > what stopped being a truly notable player at 2.95 release 15 years ago Bingo. After it went downhill with AOL I dug up the 2.95 installer and kept it around for many years like a sacred scoll. I probably still have it in my archive. Long live WinAmp 2.95
eltoozero 8y ago
Somewhat related for ‘old school’ Winamp fans, if anyone knows what ever happened to Brennan Underwood and monkey radio[0], I’m two decades later still trying to get a full copy of the playlist. I ripped the stream for several nights onto minidisc for chill portable music in high school. [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20040616141942/http://monkeyradio.org https://web.archive.org/web/20040616141942/http://monkeyradi...
koroocy 8y ago
I remember Winamp had something called AVS, where you could code some simple VJ effects. Is there something similarly accessible out there nowadays?
mclightning 8y ago
Winamp, that music player you started up, once you installed windows, audio and video drivers and ready to chill with a nice music.
kumarvvr 8y ago
Such a nostalgia whack. I fondly remember the days when I would spend hours editing metadata of songs so that they would show up correctly in winamp. The absolute fun of listening to shuffled music from winamp in the background while reading text heavy web pages (thank you 2001 internet in India, dial-up, with super fast 128 kbps connection)
nstart 8y ago
Did anyone else notice the tag line at the bottom of the site? "Cast. Play. Sell" Has it always been that? If not, does this signal a new direction for the winamp product that includes a streaming service?

283 points by Jhsto 8y ago

Forbes [0] has a rundown of what was fixed/changed in 5.8 along with Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 support. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/19/winamp-5-8-has-been-officially-released-and-supports-windows-10/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/10/19/winam...

AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
>* Removed: All former "Pro" licensed functions (Winamp is now 100% freeware again) Now if only it would be FOSS so that I could get it running on Linux, I could drop Audacious and return to my first love.
- moonbug 8y ago
  Wine.
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- tmymt 8y ago
  It's most likely deeply tied into Win32, WASAPI and similar stuff, so even if you had the code, you'd have to rewrite most of it
  - tracker1 8y ago
    It wouldn't surprise me if v6 were mostly a rewrite... Hopefully they target mutliplatform and get the visualizations, equalizer and a few other aspects the same, or very similar. I really do miss the android version, and hope they update and bring it back.
    - Lammy 8y ago
      Nullsoft tried the "ambitious cross-platform open source rewrite" thing in 2002 with Winamp3/WASABI and everyone hated it because it broke all their Winamp 2 plugins :) https://betanews.com/2002/08/10/winamp3-makes-its-official-debut/ https://betanews.com/2002/08/10/winamp3-makes-its-official-d... They went back to the 2.x codebase to release 2.92 and 2.95 before skipping Winamp 4 and jumping to Winamp 5 (2 + 3) which was based on Winamp 2 but with the Wasabi skinning system bolted on.
      - tracker1 8y ago
        It's a different day and age... we aren't running shell replacements with winamp integration these days. While we are running iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux and who knows what else. Personally, I lean towards tooling I can use everywhere, even if it is a bulky electron app. Also, the Android version was great imho.
- Quekid5 8y ago
  No idea what Audacious is doing for you (never used it), but I find that Quod Libet is somewhat in the WinAMP tradition (IIRC) in that it's pretty simple: It has a "library", "queue" and you can basically configure it down to a search field, the list of matches (from your library) and a queue. (Graphically, QL is probably the most boring music player ever, and that's not quite what WinAMP gained popularity for, but functionality-wise I think they're quite close.)
  - AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
    I organize my music library at the file level rather than at the tag level (although I still tag my files, because I have a particular naming scheme I like for everything). This is because I have so much music that it's kept on an external HDD, and I wouldn't be able to properly tag everything to my liking if I spent a hundred years on it. So I've always resisted using the iTunes-like programs that try to organize all my music for me, both due to tagging issues and having the database explode if I disconnect the drive. My music is organized according to my own system, and it works for me. In Winamp, when I wanted to play an album, I opened the directory containing my music, find the artist, right clicked on the album, and selected "Play/Enqueue in Winamp". Winamp would launch, I would immediately minimize it to the system tray, and it would be out of my way except occasionally popping up notifications on Play/Pause/Stop or when tracks changes. It was perfect for my needs. Audacious is the app I found that comes closest to replicating that workflow. I select a folder, "Open With -> Audacious", it kicks off, I close (to tray), and it plays on with occasional notifications. That's all I want. It's also got MPRIS integration so I can control playback from the bar, so that's pretty sweet too.
    - Quekid5 8y ago
      This actually sounds very close to my personal preference -- I just configure Quod Libet to only show full path and the "search everything" functionality lets me just search for the album name and have everything match + Ctrl+A + right-click + Enqueue.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    I'm a big-time fan of QL as well, it's just so ridiculously configurable, and the library management is the best I've ever used. It lets you define your tags to the smallest detail, and use every single one of those tags for organizing it. You can do all sorts of highly specific searches and filters, I think even with full regex support.
- h0p3 8y ago
  I ended up dropping it for DeaDBeeF, but you might like qmmp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qmmp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qmmp). Not a bad clone.
- disillusioned1 8y ago
  Audacious (https://audacious-media-player.org https://audacious-media-player.org) and Qmmp (http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com) apparently support Winamp Classic skins.

mahmoudhossam 8y ago

I grew up using Winamp, but I wonder how it will fare in the age of Spotify and streaming services that bring their own player? (and maybe even frown upon using a 3rd party client to access their services).

ahriman 8y ago
I grew up using Winamp as well, and XMMS on Linux. This brought back a wave of nostalgia...
dzek69 8y ago
I'd love winamp as I remember it to be a client for Google Music, as their app is heavy and very bad ux. Spotify isn't very good either, but Google Music allows me to upload missing mp3's to keep my library full and for that feature I am ready to sacrifice a lot of convenience
- dzek69 8y ago
  Oh, of course I don't believe in Google music/Spotify/iTunes proving an API for winamp. Reverse engineering is possible here, but will result in ban/lawsuit after it gains some traction. How they're gonna do that then? No idea. Still I dream about alternative client every say
  - supermdguy 8y ago
    Spotify has a playback SDK[0]. It's meant for web use, but it could probably be used to create a custom native player. You'd just need to have a webview somewhere. [0]: https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-playback-sdk/quick-start/ https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-playback-sdk...
    - SSLy 8y ago
      IIRC this is used by Clementine, a QT-based desktop player.
    - 8y ago

syntaxing 8y ago

I might have to install this for nostalgia reasons! But then again, all the streaming services have made my digital library pretty small and obsolete.

atum47 8y ago

Just for Windows? Lame.

mfringel 8y ago
It also has no wireless and has less disk space than your Archos.
- strictnein 8y ago
  Basically the closest thing CmdrTaco will ever have to an infamous Bill Gates-esque '640k' quote, although he actually said it (more or less). I'm sure there's some here that are very confused by this though, so here's the context: https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-i...
mahmoudhossam 8y ago
With a "Win" in the name and it being a primarily Windows-only product for all of its ~20 years of its existence, I'm hardly surprised that it is.
- tracker1 8y ago
  There was an Android version, which was incredibly good... and IIRC there was a MacOS version at one point.
  - SyneRyder 8y ago
    Yup, MacAmp was a thing for a while. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacAmp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacAmp
  - glenneroo 8y ago
    I stopped using the Android version several years ago because it stops playback of Shoutcast streams when running in the background (or when the screen is off). Have you gotten around this somehow?

jedberg 8y ago

So the new Winamp is basically trying to be a not terrible iTunes?

amiga-workbench 8y ago
That is not a difficult thing to accomplish.
- jedberg 8y ago
  And yet would be highly valuable...
recursive 8y ago
It has been a non-terrible iTunes since long before iTunes was even a bullet point on an internal Apple strategy presentation.
- jedberg 8y ago
  Not really. It doesn’t do podcasts. It doesn’t manage video. It can’t load songs into my iPod. Right now iTunes is still better because it has a lot of features that Winamp lacks. But the new version should address that hopefully.
  - Aeolun 8y ago
    Nothing but iTunes can load songs into your iPhone, which is hardly the fault of other software. It does videos as far as I’m aware, though it’s certainly no VLC.
  - boomboomsubban 8y ago
    It does do podcasts and video, and it can't be blamed for Apple locking it out of your iPod. No idea what other features you find it lacking, the best comparison I'm aware of[1] doesn't show a huge difference, but I've never seen the appeal of iTunes. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_player_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_audio_player_sof...

kolderman 8y ago

Given it was all downhill from Winamp3 not sure this really means anything...

partiallypro 8y ago

I installed it and was confused, I guess I assumed this was supposed to be the 'new winamp,' it's not. It's just the same WinAmp I had when I ran XP years ago but with some bug fixes. The new WinAmp won't be released until next year.

mahmoudhossam 8y ago
It's Winamp 5.8, I imagine the "new" winamp will probably have a version of 6.0 or higher.
Krasnol 8y ago
Sounds like a good reason to get it for the people who still use it.
ukyrgf 8y ago
The download button is _below_ a block of text explaining that this isn't new, this is old code that someone leaked, and they're releasing this so you don't download some spyware-riddled version.

iask 8y ago

The EQ and plugins in Winamp is amazing. I’ve yet so see any of the other players come close. You notice the difference when you play this through a PA/DJ system. Back in the days the tools were Winamp, Audiogrbber and Xing MP3 encoder.

roel_v 8y ago
But many of the plugins are dead. For example there used to be an OSD plugin, but I haven't been able to get it working for at least 5-6 years.

ivoras 8y ago

So nostalgia, much wow! But to be useful at least for me, it'll need to both accept streaming inputs (i.e. be a client for Google Play or Spotify) and to stream its output to Chromecast. It's a different world now.

koolba 8y ago
Is there a generic “Chromecast output” virtual device for Linux? Not just an app that can cast but an OS level device so I can route audio from any app on the fly.
- crankylinuxuser 8y ago
  Pretty sure this is what you're looking for. It's a plugin for Pulseaudio that adds arbitrary DNLA/Chromecast devices. http://www.webupd8.org/2016/03/how-to-stream-audio-to-chromecast-or.html http://www.webupd8.org/2016/03/how-to-stream-audio-to-chrome... Edit: And if you use Wine with Winamp, you can then steer Winamp to use chromecast as well. And as an aside, I also used Wine to make Windows programs (not the desktop) remote-run by running ssh crankylinuxuser@server -X -f "wine winamp.exe". And with Pulseaudio, redirection is trivial.
  - koolba 8y ago
    This is exactly what I was asking. Thanks!
    - hiisukun 8y ago
      I've used this a reasonable amount, and found it works but is unstable in certain circumstances. In particular, seeking, volume changes, and latency weren't great. YMMV. : )
    - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
      Awesome :) Glad I could help.
- tracker1 8y ago

msoad 8y ago

There is the web version: https://webamp.org https://webamp.org They are working on an electron wrapper too

na85 8y ago
An Electron wrapper? Awesome. I can't wait to use 900 megs of memory to play an mp3.
- bunnycorn 8y ago
  Why is this a meme? My VSC with a file open sits at 80 megs... I think my 24GB machine can handle it.
  - seba_dos1 8y ago
    Slightly off-topic here, but I'm fairly sure that if you think an Electron app takes only 80 MB of RAM, you're probably miscalculating how much does it really use.
  - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
    Because its not a meme. Look at Discord app. Look at Slack. Or any other Electron bloatware. The executable is .1GB big minimum, and eats memory because it first has to start a browser. Oh, and none of these browsers share memory or anything, so you get X copies of the same thing.
    - biocomputation 8y ago
      Wow, it sounds like you're saying their implementations are incompetent or something? Just kidding, Electron is pigware to the the extreme.
    - unit91 8y ago
      Slack + Slack Helper is 200MB and 0.1% CPU on my machine. Not too bad.

pjmlp 8y ago

Feeling nostalgic, the wasted hours looking for the perfect skin and visualization plugins.

lotonoro 8y ago

Is Winamp still around? Have switched to Foobar many years ago and never looked back...

stevewillows 8y ago
I'm in the same boat. Foobar2000 is basically perfect with unlimited ways to customize it, a healthy DSP repository, etc etc. I run it on my windows box but also under WINE for OSX. Nothing else comes close as an all-in-one package for audio.
- Crontab 8y ago
  I haven't tried it myself but there is a version for macOS now. The newest version was released on Sep 27th 2018: https://www.foobar2000.org/mac https://www.foobar2000.org/mac
  - stevewillows 8y ago
    yeah -- its getting there. That last release was a result of me mentioning darkmode. It was easily the fastest 'can I post a bug somewhere?' to release I've ever seen. The total time was no more than a few minutes. While the mac version is promising, its still missing the powerful organization features that I use the most. Foobar2000 is probably my favorite and most-used piece of software.

diimdeep 8y ago

I tried it on Mac with Wine Works: - Drag and drop from Finder - Icon in Dock - Audio device selection from within preferences Visualization don't work sadly.

adzm 8y ago

Interestingly, I just recently got Milkdrop building from source, and working on making it a standalone application. ProjectM is milkdrop-compatible, but does not have a handy Windows board, and sadly OpenGL support on Windows is not always the best. I've got low-latency streaming input from the loopback device via WASAPI so it works with anything playing audio, but still having some obstacles getting the audio data from those buffers into Milkdrop properly. But still progressing well enough for something I can only hack on occasionally after hours. Whatever it is I'm doing wrong with the PCM data shouldn't be too difficult to figure out eventually. I initially started porting it from DX9 to DX12 but figured getting the audio streaming input is more valuable to start with. Thankfully the kodi team already did a lot of the work with the DX12 migration, but used an older version of the Milkdrop source which doesn't seem to handle the HLSL/shader presets. If there is interest I would happily put the work-in-progress up on GitHub.

jevinskie 8y ago
I’d love to see your updates. My friend was commenting a while ago about how Milkdrop’s old DX version limited length of shaders he could write.
jihadjihad 8y ago
I, too, would like to see the WIP!
arthur_pryor 8y ago
i'd also be super interested in seeing this put up. if i'm being honest with myself i probably wouldn't be able to contribute (lack of time, don't have much C++ experience and even less graphics experience). but i always loved milkdrop, and i'd very definitely use a version that ran as a standalone app off any audio input.
knaik94 8y ago
I would also be super interested
0x54D5 8y ago
Please put this out. I've been using Winamp to get visualizations in Spotify but being able to just run milkdrop stand alone would be the best thing ever.

galfarragem 8y ago

Nowadays, I hardly ever listen mp3 but this is a gem: http://mpesch3.de1.cc/1by1.html http://mpesch3.de1.cc/1by1.html

jeffnappi 8y ago

It really whips the llama's ass! [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaF-nRS_CWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaF-nRS_CWM

kbumsik 8y ago
What does llama means here?
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- core-questions 8y ago
  A literal llama. The animal. > Mike the Llama is the company's mascot; this is frequently referred to in promotional material (especially for Winamp) citing llamas. Frankel introduced the llama in Winamp's startup sound clip, inspired by the lyrics of Wesley Willis: "Winamp, it really whips the llama's ass!"[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullsoft

fx1994 8y ago

Switched to Aimp already, too late :/

fx1994 8y ago

Too late, already switched to Aimp.

superasn 8y ago

A very useful Winamp feature was automatically tagging and updating all mp3s using Gracenote(?). Then suddenly this feature stopped working. Hope they fixed it in this latest release.

bunnycorn 8y ago
Probably they don't have the public API anymore.
dcbadacd 8y ago
You can always use MusicBrainz Picard?
- zmix 8y ago
  Jaikoz, while Shareware, is the most powerful amd (Java) cross platform. It also uses MusicBrainz.

pronoiac 8y ago

Non-Windows peeps, I got you fam: https://webamp.org/ https://webamp.org/ You can drag local files into the queue. And look, over 5k skins: https://archive.org/details/winampskins https://archive.org/details/winampskins

sangnoir 8y ago
Is this open-source or is there a plan to make it a Desktop PWA? Late 90's me wouldn't believe this would ever be possible without using plugins. What a time to be alive.
- brazzledazzle 8y ago
  https://github.com/captbaritone/webamp https://github.com/captbaritone/webamp
- captbaritone 8y ago
  Yeah! We're working on it. The multi-window layout of Winamp may make it hard to make a desktop PWA a bit awkward, but we're looking into it. Come hand out in our Discord server if you want to help or just hang out: https://discord.gg/mnPRh2p https://discord.gg/mnPRh2p
captbaritone 8y ago
Thanks for the mention! It's probably worth calling out that the Internet Archive page has Webamp integration, so every skin's preview is actually a live Webamp instance.
ralgozino 8y ago
I've just clicked the link in my phone expecting a big "you can't use this on your phone, please use a proper computing device" message and instead I got a fully working Winamp. Color me impressed. Hats off top the developers.
- captbaritone 8y ago
  Wow, thanks for the nice words. Getting it to work (more or less) on mobile was (and continues to be) a fun challenge.

qubax 8y ago

It really whips the llama's ass! Wow, I haven't heard of or used winamp since the early 2000s. What's next? mIRC or napster?

unstuckdev 8y ago
mIRC is still under active development.

hestefisk 8y ago

Oh the glory days of X11Amp.

sytelus 8y ago

Quick question: Is this really free from malware?

sys_64738 8y ago

Can it do anything VLC can't? I haven't used WinAMP since the late-90s.

escherplex 8y ago
No. Plus install it with the classic skin and it can remind you of the old Napster days running Win98. And possibly of your first exposure to computer viruses which taught you to backup everything externally that you wouldn't be willing to lose given that at any time you may be forced to perform a complete system reinstall. :)
avinassh 8y ago
I tried and for me, I will use it only for reasons of nostalgia. There is some thrill to hear that old intro voice. Technically, I really don't think it can do anything more than VLC. And if you still want to stick with VLC, you can always try Winamp skin for VLC [0]. It works but it's not that smooth. [0] - https://www.videolan.org/vlc/skins.php?sort=downloads https://www.videolan.org/vlc/skins.php?sort=downloads
aritiva 8y ago
Winamp had a nice and accessible plugin called AVS, where you could code your own VJ effects.
yetanotherjosh 8y ago
It's logo isn't a traffic cone.

eps 8y ago

I would take this supposed "leak" with a big grain on salt. AOL sold WinAmp to acompany called Radionomy (back in 2014). For some reason the latter is now aggressively marketing and hyping the "revival" of WinAmp, dropping the llama ass references and otherwise milking the legacy of what stopped being a truly notable player at 2.95 release 15 years ago.

yetanotherjosh 8y ago
> what stopped being a truly notable player at 2.95 release 15 years ago Bingo. After it went downhill with AOL I dug up the 2.95 installer and kept it around for many years like a sacred scoll. I probably still have it in my archive. Long live WinAmp 2.95

eltoozero 8y ago

Somewhat related for ‘old school’ Winamp fans, if anyone knows what ever happened to Brennan Underwood and monkey radio[0], I’m two decades later still trying to get a full copy of the playlist. I ripped the stream for several nights onto minidisc for chill portable music in high school. [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20040616141942/http://monkeyradio.org https://web.archive.org/web/20040616141942/http://monkeyradi...

koroocy 8y ago

I remember Winamp had something called AVS, where you could code some simple VJ effects. Is there something similarly accessible out there nowadays?

mclightning 8y ago

Winamp, that music player you started up, once you installed windows, audio and video drivers and ready to chill with a nice music.

kumarvvr 8y ago

Such a nostalgia whack. I fondly remember the days when I would spend hours editing metadata of songs so that they would show up correctly in winamp. The absolute fun of listening to shuffled music from winamp in the background while reading text heavy web pages (thank you 2001 internet in India, dial-up, with super fast 128 kbps connection)

nstart 8y ago

Did anyone else notice the tag line at the bottom of the site? "Cast. Play. Sell" Has it always been that? If not, does this signal a new direction for the winamp product that includes a streaming service?