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The CNET article you linked says: “Over email, a Tesla spokeswoman did offer more explanation on the probability-of-injury statistic. NHTSA compiles raw injury

The CNET article you linked says: “Over email, a Tesla spokeswoman did offer more explanation on the probability-of-injury statistic. NHTSA compiles raw injury data in a load of spreadsheets every year, and it computes the overall probability of injury, listing it as a Vehicle Safety Score in its published results. That's where Tesla pulled the data from, and you can check this year's results for yourself on regulations.gov.” It seems that NHTSA is only disputing that they hand out an official “safest vehicle” rating, not that Tesla did that well in their data. I would say that the claim is backed up if going by the actual results and not the capped, publicized rating. I’m curious what you thought when you came across that part of the article.

dwighttk 8y ago
Man regulations.gov is a terrible site. The only document I could find that contained "vehicle safety score" was: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=NHTSA-2015-0119-0001 https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=NHTSA-2015-0119-0001
- csours 8y ago
  It's linked from the CNET article: https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=NHTSA-2017-0037 https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=NHTSA-2017-0037
csours 8y ago
Disclaimer again: These are solely my own opinions. > "I’m curious what you thought when you came across that part of the article." Several things: 1. I think Tesla vehicles are very safe. 2. I think there are several reasons NHTSA does not rank vehicles on safety. Also NHTSA specifically does not allow companies to claim a specific rank using NHTSA data. 3. I think not all real world factors may be accounted for in tests. 4. I think tests get harder over time, so Tesla is well prepared for future tests. 5. I think Tesla has a history of bending the rules in their press releases, including making other safety claims that are not supported by the agencies they quote. 6. I think with autonomous vehicles we will be able to log safety incidents per user-mile in various conditions and have really comparable data - and it's a shame we don't already have that. 7. The score mentioned is based on tests, not real world data. Without real world data, you can't say whether a vehicle is actually safe or not. I can't speak for NHTSA, but I feel that is their point of view.

dwighttk 8y ago

Man regulations.gov is a terrible site. The only document I could find that contained "vehicle safety score" was: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=NHTSA-2015-0119-0001 https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=NHTSA-2015-0119-0001

csours 8y ago
It's linked from the CNET article: https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=NHTSA-2017-0037 https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=NHTSA-2017-0037

csours 8y ago

Disclaimer again: These are solely my own opinions. > "I’m curious what you thought when you came across that part of the article." Several things: 1. I think Tesla vehicles are very safe. 2. I think there are several reasons NHTSA does not rank vehicles on safety. Also NHTSA specifically does not allow companies to claim a specific rank using NHTSA data. 3. I think not all real world factors may be accounted for in tests. 4. I think tests get harder over time, so Tesla is well prepared for future tests. 5. I think Tesla has a history of bending the rules in their press releases, including making other safety claims that are not supported by the agencies they quote. 6. I think with autonomous vehicles we will be able to log safety incidents per user-mile in various conditions and have really comparable data - and it's a shame we don't already have that. 7. The score mentioned is based on tests, not real world data. Without real world data, you can't say whether a vehicle is actually safe or not. I can't speak for NHTSA, but I feel that is their point of view.