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China also produces more goods than those countries combined. It doesn’t matter where it’s made, the issue is making things produce waste that is harmful to the

by verelo 8y ago

China also produces more goods than those countries combined. It doesn’t matter where it’s made, the issue is making things produce waste that is harmful to the the environment. There are ways to do better, product less waste, but that is more expensive. The real issue is no one (well, not the majority of people) is willing to pay the price of environmentally considerate manufacturing processes.

adventured 8y ago
> China also produces more goods than those countries combined. That's a popular myth used to excuse China's extraordinary environmental abuses. China and its national corporations are currently building or planning to build a thousand new coal power plants around the greater Asia region. [1][2][3] China does not produce more goods than those - US + EU - entities combined. Not even close. All by itself US manufacturing output is nearly as large as China. Just US + German manufacturing and exports together are about 30% larger than China. US + EU manufacturing is far larger than China, closer to double the size than not. [1] 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-companies-coal-plants-climate-change.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-comp... "Overall, 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries, said Urgewald, which uses data from the Global Coal Plant Tracker portal. The new plants would expand the world's coal-fired power capacity by 43 per cent. The fleet of new coal plants would make it virtually impossible to meet the goals set in the Paris climate accord. Electricity generated from fossil fuels such as coal is the biggest single contributor globally to the rise in carbon emissions, which scientists agree is causing the earth's temperatures to rise. Shanghai Electric Group, one of the country's largest electrical equipment makers, has announced plans to build coal power plants in Egypt, Pakistan and Iran with a total capacity of 6,285MW – almost 10 times the 660MW of coal power it has planned in China." [2] 2018 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45640706 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45640706 "Building work has restarted at hundreds of Chinese coal-fired power stations, according to an analysis of satellite imagery. The research, carried out by green campaigners CoalSwarm, suggests that 259 gigawatts of new capacity are under development in China." [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/26/satellite-images-show-runaway-expansion-of-coal-power-in-china https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/26/satellite-imag...
- verelo 8y ago
  I would say it really depends by what we measure "produces" and "more" as. Are we talking dollars, weight, or quantity of items? If think if we looked at the specific items, we'd find that there are a lot of items, often highly toxic items, produced in that region. Take the example of Bangladesh, so much dye work that we've intentionally shipped away so we can wipe our hands clean of the environmental damage. In reality all that really happened was we shifted the problem to someone else.

by verelo 8y ago

adventured 8y ago

> China also produces more goods than those countries combined. That's a popular myth used to excuse China's extraordinary environmental abuses. China and its national corporations are currently building or planning to build a thousand new coal power plants around the greater Asia region. [1][2][3] China does not produce more goods than those - US + EU - entities combined. Not even close. All by itself US manufacturing output is nearly as large as China. Just US + German manufacturing and exports together are about 30% larger than China. US + EU manufacturing is far larger than China, closer to double the size than not. [1] 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-companies-coal-plants-climate-change.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/01/climate/china-energy-comp... "Overall, 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries, said Urgewald, which uses data from the Global Coal Plant Tracker portal. The new plants would expand the world's coal-fired power capacity by 43 per cent. The fleet of new coal plants would make it virtually impossible to meet the goals set in the Paris climate accord. Electricity generated from fossil fuels such as coal is the biggest single contributor globally to the rise in carbon emissions, which scientists agree is causing the earth's temperatures to rise. Shanghai Electric Group, one of the country's largest electrical equipment makers, has announced plans to build coal power plants in Egypt, Pakistan and Iran with a total capacity of 6,285MW – almost 10 times the 660MW of coal power it has planned in China." [2] 2018 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45640706 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45640706 "Building work has restarted at hundreds of Chinese coal-fired power stations, according to an analysis of satellite imagery. The research, carried out by green campaigners CoalSwarm, suggests that 259 gigawatts of new capacity are under development in China." [3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/26/satellite-images-show-runaway-expansion-of-coal-power-in-china https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/26/satellite-imag...

verelo 8y ago
I would say it really depends by what we measure "produces" and "more" as. Are we talking dollars, weight, or quantity of items? If think if we looked at the specific items, we'd find that there are a lot of items, often highly toxic items, produced in that region. Take the example of Bangladesh, so much dye work that we've intentionally shipped away so we can wipe our hands clean of the environmental damage. In reality all that really happened was we shifted the problem to someone else.