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Not sure who your friends are but where I am half the young people are creatives or otherwise not traditionally full time employed and my experience has been pe

Not sure who your friends are but where I am half the young people are creatives or otherwise not traditionally full time employed and my experience has been people are far more likely to avoid you for being a boring banker/lawyer/accountant in a suit (which I used to be) than unemployed with a good story about what you are doing, which could spark a decent conversation.

Aeolun 8y ago
I don’t know. I’ve had to actively hide my unemployment as well to get people to take me seriously. Even switching to ‘I am a freelancer’ makes you so much more desirable as a conversation partner...
- Drdrdrq 8y ago
  That's actually a great way out of this situation. Recruiters know that there are many gems among freelancers, so working on side projects or on short paid projects should put GP in a whole different category.
nwellinghoff 8y ago
What the fuck is a "creative"?
- Latteland 8y ago
  I'm guessing it's "not like a boring programmer"?
- yoz-y 8y ago
  An encompassing term for artists, designers, illustrators and other profession where your job is mainly to get original ideas and implement them.
  - Latteland 8y ago
    So does that mean using engineering and math as the basis of building bespoke software is not creative in that sense? Just curious, not criticism - because I always thought of designing the architecture of a large software system, making it work within constraints, codes, making it easy to work on, fit withing design constraints, a beautiful UI, even a new programming language as creative.
    - yoz-y 8y ago
      As far as I know no. I do agree with you that programming (and many other professions) can be/are creative. Still having the term "creative" as profession does not mean that other professions are un-creative. People like to put people in bins and give them labels, and I suppose that creative is the main ability these professions require. Maybe one thing that is specific (at least from when I spoke with people employing creatives) is that they have more leeway on what to do.
  - nwellinghoff 8y ago
    yes, exactly. Its an offensive term to say the least. Scientist are the ultimate "creatives" as they create fundamental things that all other fields depend on. But somehow they don't describe themselves as "creatives". Calling yourself a "creative" at best doesn't make any sense and at worst makes you look like a jerk.
txcwpalpha 8y ago
I live in Dallas, which is notorious for being pretentious, not very creative, and pretty "corporate", so that probably contributes to the experience I've had.
- tomrod 8y ago
  Hear here.

Aeolun 8y ago

I don’t know. I’ve had to actively hide my unemployment as well to get people to take me seriously. Even switching to ‘I am a freelancer’ makes you so much more desirable as a conversation partner...

Drdrdrq 8y ago
That's actually a great way out of this situation. Recruiters know that there are many gems among freelancers, so working on side projects or on short paid projects should put GP in a whole different category.

nwellinghoff 8y ago

What the fuck is a "creative"?

Latteland 8y ago
I'm guessing it's "not like a boring programmer"?
yoz-y 8y ago
An encompassing term for artists, designers, illustrators and other profession where your job is mainly to get original ideas and implement them.
- Latteland 8y ago
  So does that mean using engineering and math as the basis of building bespoke software is not creative in that sense? Just curious, not criticism - because I always thought of designing the architecture of a large software system, making it work within constraints, codes, making it easy to work on, fit withing design constraints, a beautiful UI, even a new programming language as creative.
  - yoz-y 8y ago
    As far as I know no. I do agree with you that programming (and many other professions) can be/are creative. Still having the term "creative" as profession does not mean that other professions are un-creative. People like to put people in bins and give them labels, and I suppose that creative is the main ability these professions require. Maybe one thing that is specific (at least from when I spoke with people employing creatives) is that they have more leeway on what to do.
- nwellinghoff 8y ago
  yes, exactly. Its an offensive term to say the least. Scientist are the ultimate "creatives" as they create fundamental things that all other fields depend on. But somehow they don't describe themselves as "creatives". Calling yourself a "creative" at best doesn't make any sense and at worst makes you look like a jerk.

txcwpalpha 8y ago

I live in Dallas, which is notorious for being pretentious, not very creative, and pretty "corporate", so that probably contributes to the experience I've had.

tomrod 8y ago
Hear here.