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> Specific examples? Microsoft should come clean, admit their wrongdoings and recant doing from the following unethical practices: 1. Bullying the competition

> Specific examples? Microsoft should come clean, admit their wrongdoings and recant doing from the following unethical practices: 1. Bullying the competition with software patents 2. Hijacking the ISO standardization process when they pushed through their OOXML specification 3. Having a man sent to prison for making Windows Restore DVDs from ISO images that you could download freely from the Internet 4. Lobbying lawmakers to block laws which promote open standards and free software for use in the government 5. Preventing users from running their own software using draconian DRM on closed devices (Windows 10 Mobile and S) 6. Enacting restrictive Marketplace policies against GPL-3 software 7. Launching misinformation campaigns ("Get the facts" etc.), Astroturfing and other ways of spreading lies, especially against Linux So now they basically stopped #1 after already having more or less stopped #7, and while technically still on sale, the market laughed them out of #5. But they have still not owned up on anything, so someone mistrusting might think they could start at any time again.

tw04 8y ago
>3. Having a man sent to prison for making Windows Restore DVDs from ISO images that you could download freely from the Internet Please stop parroting that non-sense. They didn't even bring the case against him, US Customs did. He was also warned more than once by Customs to stop, and he didn't. https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/04/27/the-facts-about-a-recent-counterfeiting-case-brought-by-the-u-s-government/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/04/27/the-fac...
- chithanh 8y ago
  > Please stop parroting that non-sense. Please stop the Microsoft apologism. It is not nonsense. Microsoft testified against the man in court. They wanted him to go to prison. And yes, what they did is lie to the court in order to achieve that goal. The sentencing is based on Microsoft testimony. Louis Rossmann has some choice words for Microsoft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoJErxYLtM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoJErxYLtM
  - tw04 8y ago
    >It is not nonsense. Microsoft testified against the man in court. They wanted him to go to prison. He was selling counterfeit disks as genuine. Was warned to stop, and didn't. You either haven't bothered to read the link provided, any of the court rulings (it was upheld on appeal), or you're just such an MS hater you're going to deny reality. Either way, when there are literally email threads of him trying to sell disks to computer refurbishers as "genuine" and being called out for them being counterfeit, you're not going to convince me he was the innocent victim he's claiming to be. I'm just going to assume I'm correct in you not reading any of the links provided, and I'll leave this here: https://blogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/5/2018/04/Email_image3.png https://blogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/5/2018/04/Ema... And if you want to "prove" that MS is in the wrong, I'd suggest you link to a lawyer disputing the results of the case. Not a guy who fixes laptops for a living.
    - chithanh 8y ago
      I have followed this case. I know Microsoft's position and have read their public statements. I know that Microsoft told egregious untruths to the courts about the value of the recovery CDs. They claimed with a straight face that the value of such a recovery CD (burned from an ISO image that could be downloaded freely from the Internet) was identical to the value of a Windows OEM license. And the courts have believed their statements. You haven't bothered to check any of the facts besides what Microsoft purports. Your distorted view of reality seems to be entirely shaped by Microsoft PR. > I'd suggest you link to a lawyer disputing the results of the case. Not a guy who fixes laptops for a living. The facts speak for themselves. There is even an hour+ long interview with Eric Lundgren where he clearly describes his actions and motives and what he expected to accomplish. The "guy who fixes laptops for a living" has probably more insight into the reality of repair/refurbishing/reuse of computers and electronics than you will ever have. > you're just such an MS hater you're going to deny reality. Where do I deny reality? All the seven points that I listed are verified by independent observers and media. No matter if you believe whether Eric Lundgren deserved punishment or not, it was Microsoft's testimony that was critical in convincing the court and sending him to prison for 15 months.
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bcheung 8y ago
There's also all the FUD and scare tactics when you try to install another browser saying it might be "insecure, slow, etc".

tw04 8y ago

>3. Having a man sent to prison for making Windows Restore DVDs from ISO images that you could download freely from the Internet Please stop parroting that non-sense. They didn't even bring the case against him, US Customs did. He was also warned more than once by Customs to stop, and he didn't. https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/04/27/the-facts-about-a-recent-counterfeiting-case-brought-by-the-u-s-government/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/04/27/the-fac...

chithanh 8y ago
> Please stop parroting that non-sense. Please stop the Microsoft apologism. It is not nonsense. Microsoft testified against the man in court. They wanted him to go to prison. And yes, what they did is lie to the court in order to achieve that goal. The sentencing is based on Microsoft testimony. Louis Rossmann has some choice words for Microsoft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoJErxYLtM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoJErxYLtM
- tw04 8y ago
  >It is not nonsense. Microsoft testified against the man in court. They wanted him to go to prison. He was selling counterfeit disks as genuine. Was warned to stop, and didn't. You either haven't bothered to read the link provided, any of the court rulings (it was upheld on appeal), or you're just such an MS hater you're going to deny reality. Either way, when there are literally email threads of him trying to sell disks to computer refurbishers as "genuine" and being called out for them being counterfeit, you're not going to convince me he was the innocent victim he's claiming to be. I'm just going to assume I'm correct in you not reading any of the links provided, and I'll leave this here: https://blogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/5/2018/04/Email_image3.png https://blogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/5/2018/04/Ema... And if you want to "prove" that MS is in the wrong, I'd suggest you link to a lawyer disputing the results of the case. Not a guy who fixes laptops for a living.
  - chithanh 8y ago
    I have followed this case. I know Microsoft's position and have read their public statements. I know that Microsoft told egregious untruths to the courts about the value of the recovery CDs. They claimed with a straight face that the value of such a recovery CD (burned from an ISO image that could be downloaded freely from the Internet) was identical to the value of a Windows OEM license. And the courts have believed their statements. You haven't bothered to check any of the facts besides what Microsoft purports. Your distorted view of reality seems to be entirely shaped by Microsoft PR. > I'd suggest you link to a lawyer disputing the results of the case. Not a guy who fixes laptops for a living. The facts speak for themselves. There is even an hour+ long interview with Eric Lundgren where he clearly describes his actions and motives and what he expected to accomplish. The "guy who fixes laptops for a living" has probably more insight into the reality of repair/refurbishing/reuse of computers and electronics than you will ever have. > you're just such an MS hater you're going to deny reality. Where do I deny reality? All the seven points that I listed are verified by independent observers and media. No matter if you believe whether Eric Lundgren deserved punishment or not, it was Microsoft's testimony that was critical in convincing the court and sending him to prison for 15 months.
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bcheung 8y ago

There's also all the FUD and scare tactics when you try to install another browser saying it might be "insecure, slow, etc".