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> ... Microsoft still pulls a lot of bad shit. Specific examples?

by neolefty 8y ago

mixmastamyk 8y ago
- Data collection - Forced installs - Android shakedown
maxxxxx 8y ago
Windows 10 definitely feels very user hostile with forced updates and data collection.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Much less than my Android devices.
  - scruffyherder 8y ago
    I stopped using Android a month ago, and it was amazing all the emails from google wondering where I was, or suddenly getting invited to various beta programs and stuff. They really do their best to lock you in. I just hate that WeChat had their hissy fit with Microsoft, and it blocked WeChat on Windows Phones. (I have a Wo Mobile China OEM version of a Nokia 1520 and it refuses to let me logon with the Chinese version of the app in Hong Kong, China & Macau using local SIMs in each area). When you look at the Xbox One where Google doesn't compete it has things like YouTube, and other popular media apps, and yet the Windows Phone was denied these apps as Google's primary target for Android was to dethrone the Microsoft Windows CE world, which they did brilliantly with the aquisiition of Android, and releasing it for zero dollars to any OEM for any formfactor, while Microsoft kept too far of a strict control over the platform. Ironically Micosoft forgot the lession of MS-DOS, which is that the money isn't in the hardware, but the end users buying software.
  - apotheon 8y ago
    That's debatable, but I find Apple iOS, Google Android, and Microsoft Win10 all user-hostile. One of them being "worse" than another, in some person's opinion, in no way excuses anyone from being bad.
chithanh 8y ago
> Specific examples? Microsoft should come clean, admit their wrongdoings and recant doing from the following unethical practices: 1. Bullying the competition with software patents 2. Hijacking the ISO standardization process when they pushed through their OOXML specification 3. Having a man sent to prison for making Windows Restore DVDs from ISO images that you could download freely from the Internet 4. Lobbying lawmakers to block laws which promote open standards and free software for use in the government 5. Preventing users from running their own software using draconian DRM on closed devices (Windows 10 Mobile and S) 6. Enacting restrictive Marketplace policies against GPL-3 software 7. Launching misinformation campaigns ("Get the facts" etc.), Astroturfing and other ways of spreading lies, especially against Linux So now they basically stopped #1 after already having more or less stopped #7, and while technically still on sale, the market laughed them out of #5. But they have still not owned up on anything, so someone mistrusting might think they could start at any time again.
- tw04 8y ago
  >3. Having a man sent to prison for making Windows Restore DVDs from ISO images that you could download freely from the Internet Please stop parroting that non-sense. They didn't even bring the case against him, US Customs did. He was also warned more than once by Customs to stop, and he didn't. https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/04/27/the-facts-about-a-recent-counterfeiting-case-brought-by-the-u-s-government/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/04/27/the-fac...
  - chithanh 8y ago
    > Please stop parroting that non-sense. Please stop the Microsoft apologism. It is not nonsense. Microsoft testified against the man in court. They wanted him to go to prison. And yes, what they did is lie to the court in order to achieve that goal. The sentencing is based on Microsoft testimony. Louis Rossmann has some choice words for Microsoft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoJErxYLtM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoJErxYLtM
    - tw04 8y ago
apotheon 8y ago
I will try to avoid rehashing things others already mentioned, but a few off the top of my head (without thinking about it any longer than it takes to type them) include: * continuing to favor user interface philosophies that implicitly rely on undermining software security * fostering vendor lock-in and exclusionary vertical integration * using opt-out privacy violation where opt-in is the obvious ethical choice * wielding power in the market to "compete" by preventing others from competing edit: formatting

> ... Microsoft still pulls a lot of bad shit. Specific examples?

mixmastamyk 8y ago

- Data collection - Forced installs - Android shakedown

maxxxxx 8y ago

Windows 10 definitely feels very user hostile with forced updates and data collection.

pjmlp 8y ago
Much less than my Android devices.
- scruffyherder 8y ago
  I stopped using Android a month ago, and it was amazing all the emails from google wondering where I was, or suddenly getting invited to various beta programs and stuff. They really do their best to lock you in. I just hate that WeChat had their hissy fit with Microsoft, and it blocked WeChat on Windows Phones. (I have a Wo Mobile China OEM version of a Nokia 1520 and it refuses to let me logon with the Chinese version of the app in Hong Kong, China & Macau using local SIMs in each area). When you look at the Xbox One where Google doesn't compete it has things like YouTube, and other popular media apps, and yet the Windows Phone was denied these apps as Google's primary target for Android was to dethrone the Microsoft Windows CE world, which they did brilliantly with the aquisiition of Android, and releasing it for zero dollars to any OEM for any formfactor, while Microsoft kept too far of a strict control over the platform. Ironically Micosoft forgot the lession of MS-DOS, which is that the money isn't in the hardware, but the end users buying software.
- apotheon 8y ago
  That's debatable, but I find Apple iOS, Google Android, and Microsoft Win10 all user-hostile. One of them being "worse" than another, in some person's opinion, in no way excuses anyone from being bad.

chithanh 8y ago

> Specific examples? Microsoft should come clean, admit their wrongdoings and recant doing from the following unethical practices: 1. Bullying the competition with software patents 2. Hijacking the ISO standardization process when they pushed through their OOXML specification 3. Having a man sent to prison for making Windows Restore DVDs from ISO images that you could download freely from the Internet 4. Lobbying lawmakers to block laws which promote open standards and free software for use in the government 5. Preventing users from running their own software using draconian DRM on closed devices (Windows 10 Mobile and S) 6. Enacting restrictive Marketplace policies against GPL-3 software 7. Launching misinformation campaigns ("Get the facts" etc.), Astroturfing and other ways of spreading lies, especially against Linux So now they basically stopped #1 after already having more or less stopped #7, and while technically still on sale, the market laughed them out of #5. But they have still not owned up on anything, so someone mistrusting might think they could start at any time again.

tw04 8y ago
>3. Having a man sent to prison for making Windows Restore DVDs from ISO images that you could download freely from the Internet Please stop parroting that non-sense. They didn't even bring the case against him, US Customs did. He was also warned more than once by Customs to stop, and he didn't. https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/04/27/the-facts-about-a-recent-counterfeiting-case-brought-by-the-u-s-government/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/04/27/the-fac...
- chithanh 8y ago
  > Please stop parroting that non-sense. Please stop the Microsoft apologism. It is not nonsense. Microsoft testified against the man in court. They wanted him to go to prison. And yes, what they did is lie to the court in order to achieve that goal. The sentencing is based on Microsoft testimony. Louis Rossmann has some choice words for Microsoft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoJErxYLtM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoJErxYLtM
  - tw04 8y ago

apotheon 8y ago

I will try to avoid rehashing things others already mentioned, but a few off the top of my head (without thinking about it any longer than it takes to type them) include: * continuing to favor user interface philosophies that implicitly rely on undermining software security * fostering vendor lock-in and exclusionary vertical integration * using opt-out privacy violation where opt-in is the obvious ethical choice * wielding power in the market to "compete" by preventing others from competing edit: formatting