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I am surprised she was given credit. A very impressive act by her supervisor.

by danieltillett 8y ago

MaxBarraclough 8y ago
Honesty is 'very impressive'?
- danieltillett 8y ago
  Yes. I know it varies a bit by field, but a large percentage of the time the supervisor claims credit for everything their graduate students comes up with. There have been more than a few Nobel prizes awarded to supervisors where the student came up with the idea and did all the work. Edit. A famous example is Selman Waksman and Albert Schatz [0, 1]. 0. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1882032 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1882032 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selman_Waksman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selman_Waksman
  - majos 8y ago
    I think it varies more than a "bit" by field. I would say it's extremely uncommon in math and theoretical cs.
    - danieltillett 8y ago
      Neither of these fields award Nobel prizes :) More seriously, maths (I don't know much about the theoretical cs field) is a bit of an anomaly in this respect compared to most of the sciences. The problem seems to be worse the more money you need to do your research - maybe this is why maths excapes the usual feudal hierarchy where the lord own everything including their serfs ideas.
      - ambicapter 8y ago
        The story I've heard is that Nobel's wife ran off with a mathematician, hence, no prize for that field.
        ColinWright 8y ago
        Urban myth: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/10/the-reason-there-is-no-nobel-prize-for-mathematics-had-nothing-to-do-with-any-wifemistress-of-alfred-nobel/ http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/10/the-reason-t... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-prizes-rite/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-prizes-rite/ https://www.quora.com/What-facts-are-often-presented-to-you-that-are-actually-completely-untrue https://www.quora.com/What-facts-are-often-presented-to-you-... https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~alopez-o/math-faq/node50.html https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~alopez-o/math-faq/node50.html
- msravi 8y ago
  My masters' thesis supervisor took my thesis and submitted it to a well known journal and a couple of other conferences with himself as the first author and me as the second. I had defended my thesis and started work and did not have the time/motivation to write it out for the journals/conferences. He selected portions of my thesis, formatted them for the journal, and submitted it. I was too uninterested and busy to pursue the matter any further and just let it be. So yes, given that stuff like that happens, I do find it impressive.
  - dekhn 8y ago
    i'm not sure what is wrong with this. Normally, it's done the other way around, IE you write the papers, publish them, and then write the thesis (whose copyright ends up being owned by some random monopoly company in the midwest). But, you got your name on the paper, and your supervisor, who almost certainly had scientific and funding input to your research, was rightfully coauthor.
    - msravi 8y ago
      I wasn't funded by him. I was on a scholarship and then on a TA, and was funded by the department.
      - mnky9800n 8y ago
        You also didn't seem to do any of the effort to publish the paper or follow up with it. Of course your adviser should be the corresponding author. They actually care about the paper and getting response to it.
        xevb3k 8y ago
        First author should be the person who did the work, that’s pretty strandard. Corresponding author doesn’t always need to be first author. Honestly this does sound pretty terrible. The student doesn’t have to publish, and you don’t get to misrepresent yourself as first author if they don’t want to. Really really want to be first author, redo the work yourself. That’s the only way you can claim credit (and responsibility) for having done the work.
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I am surprised she was given credit. A very impressive act by her supervisor.

MaxBarraclough 8y ago

Honesty is 'very impressive'?

danieltillett 8y ago
Yes. I know it varies a bit by field, but a large percentage of the time the supervisor claims credit for everything their graduate students comes up with. There have been more than a few Nobel prizes awarded to supervisors where the student came up with the idea and did all the work. Edit. A famous example is Selman Waksman and Albert Schatz [0, 1]. 0. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1882032 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1882032 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selman_Waksman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selman_Waksman
- majos 8y ago
  I think it varies more than a "bit" by field. I would say it's extremely uncommon in math and theoretical cs.
  - danieltillett 8y ago
    Neither of these fields award Nobel prizes :) More seriously, maths (I don't know much about the theoretical cs field) is a bit of an anomaly in this respect compared to most of the sciences. The problem seems to be worse the more money you need to do your research - maybe this is why maths excapes the usual feudal hierarchy where the lord own everything including their serfs ideas.
    - ambicapter 8y ago
      The story I've heard is that Nobel's wife ran off with a mathematician, hence, no prize for that field.
      - ColinWright 8y ago
        Urban myth: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/10/the-reason-there-is-no-nobel-prize-for-mathematics-had-nothing-to-do-with-any-wifemistress-of-alfred-nobel/ http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/10/the-reason-t... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-prizes-rite/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-prizes-rite/ https://www.quora.com/What-facts-are-often-presented-to-you-that-are-actually-completely-untrue https://www.quora.com/What-facts-are-often-presented-to-you-... https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~alopez-o/math-faq/node50.html https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~alopez-o/math-faq/node50.html
msravi 8y ago
My masters' thesis supervisor took my thesis and submitted it to a well known journal and a couple of other conferences with himself as the first author and me as the second. I had defended my thesis and started work and did not have the time/motivation to write it out for the journals/conferences. He selected portions of my thesis, formatted them for the journal, and submitted it. I was too uninterested and busy to pursue the matter any further and just let it be. So yes, given that stuff like that happens, I do find it impressive.
- dekhn 8y ago
  i'm not sure what is wrong with this. Normally, it's done the other way around, IE you write the papers, publish them, and then write the thesis (whose copyright ends up being owned by some random monopoly company in the midwest). But, you got your name on the paper, and your supervisor, who almost certainly had scientific and funding input to your research, was rightfully coauthor.
  - msravi 8y ago
    I wasn't funded by him. I was on a scholarship and then on a TA, and was funded by the department.
    - mnky9800n 8y ago
      You also didn't seem to do any of the effort to publish the paper or follow up with it. Of course your adviser should be the corresponding author. They actually care about the paper and getting response to it.
      - xevb3k 8y ago
        First author should be the person who did the work, that’s pretty strandard. Corresponding author doesn’t always need to be first author. Honestly this does sound pretty terrible. The student doesn’t have to publish, and you don’t get to misrepresent yourself as first author if they don’t want to. Really really want to be first author, redo the work yourself. That’s the only way you can claim credit (and responsibility) for having done the work.

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