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It is both sides. How grounded in reality you think either are depends on your own biases. From my point of view both the left and the right have become more ex

by jf- 8y ago

It is both sides. How grounded in reality you think either are depends on your own biases. From my point of view both the left and the right have become more extreme and more removed from the truth. The left thinks that the right is distorting reality more than they are (and they are to a degree) because they themselves live in an oppositely distorted reality.

Daishiman 8y ago
No, I'm sorry but that's absolutely false. One party places anti-immigration rhetoric that completely contradicts the experts' understanding of immigration policies, from experts with all sorts of political backgrounds. One party denies the entirety of the fields of climate science, environmental science, and has no trouble entertaining Creationist ideals that reject the entirety of the field of biology. One party rejects our current understanding of policies that reduce violent crime, and incarceration. The other one at the very least has an internal dialogue where positions are based on known statistics. This repeats itself on and on. The fact that there are people who reject our current understanding of topics on all political sides doesn't mean that there is one party whose political interests are completely disconnected to the point where there are no real internal arguments for logical cohesiveness.
- jf- 8y ago
  No, the left has recently adopted anti-centrism, which is just a form of the ultimatum “you’re either with us or against us”. Attacking the center to try to force moderates to lean further left. I don’t agree with everything the Republicans believe, and I don’t agree with everything that the democrats believe, and I won’t be told that there is no such thing as a middle ground.
  - Daishiman 8y ago
    What exactly are the positions that you believe are being attacked? Be more specific.
    - jf- 8y ago
      No. You’ve had my opinion, I’m not arguing with you, I’m telling you.
- sheepmullet 8y ago
  > from experts with all sorts of political backgrounds. I think you have inadvertently stumbled upon the real fundamental change in politics over my lifetime - it seems a lot more of the younger generations have been brought up to believe the experts. 50 years ago we all knew the experts were a bunch of quacks.

by jf- 8y ago

Daishiman 8y ago

No, I'm sorry but that's absolutely false. One party places anti-immigration rhetoric that completely contradicts the experts' understanding of immigration policies, from experts with all sorts of political backgrounds. One party denies the entirety of the fields of climate science, environmental science, and has no trouble entertaining Creationist ideals that reject the entirety of the field of biology. One party rejects our current understanding of policies that reduce violent crime, and incarceration. The other one at the very least has an internal dialogue where positions are based on known statistics. This repeats itself on and on. The fact that there are people who reject our current understanding of topics on all political sides doesn't mean that there is one party whose political interests are completely disconnected to the point where there are no real internal arguments for logical cohesiveness.

jf- 8y ago
No, the left has recently adopted anti-centrism, which is just a form of the ultimatum “you’re either with us or against us”. Attacking the center to try to force moderates to lean further left. I don’t agree with everything the Republicans believe, and I don’t agree with everything that the democrats believe, and I won’t be told that there is no such thing as a middle ground.
- Daishiman 8y ago
  What exactly are the positions that you believe are being attacked? Be more specific.
  - jf- 8y ago
    No. You’ve had my opinion, I’m not arguing with you, I’m telling you.
sheepmullet 8y ago
> from experts with all sorts of political backgrounds. I think you have inadvertently stumbled upon the real fundamental change in politics over my lifetime - it seems a lot more of the younger generations have been brought up to believe the experts. 50 years ago we all knew the experts were a bunch of quacks.