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I don't think that's a fair statement. The processor is one of the only thing Apple has a clear lead in over Android flagships. (Others being customer support

by screye 8y ago

I don't think that's a fair statement. The processor is one of the only thing Apple has a clear lead in over Android flagships. (Others being customer support and longevity) Android hardware and software are fully stable now. Android phones have better cameras and match apple in most other hardware metrics (display, speakers, antennas, build, touch response) Software wise, it comes down to preferences. Both have a few things they do well, and others they stumble on. iOS12 is from what I have heard, smoother as butter. However, top flagships from Samsung, Google, OnePlus all run Android without any stutter at stable 60fps too. All of my daily apps/usecases are at parity with their iOS. I don't know if the app ecosystem complaints are valid in 2018. (Apart from snap chat, because they have some wierd hate for Android) I can respect your choice of wanting an Apple device. Especially if you are invested in their hardware and software ecosystem. But to someone who isn't, the iPhone does offer enough to switch from Android.

ddalex 8y ago
> top flagships from Samsung, Google, OnePlus all run Android without any stutter at stable 60fps too This is true. The problem is that the FPS don't matter so much as latency touch-to-update does. And Apple keeps this latency about 1/2 of what Android can do.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  Have any evidence to back that claim up? Even the $320 Pocophone F1 can perform at and above the iPhone XS Max performance in everyday tasks [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88
  - lhl 8y ago
    Here’s a slightly older chart of touch latency tests: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriques_the_site_that_found_op3_touch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriq... I’d be interested to see if there are more recent tests. Here’s Dan Luu’s tests on scrolling latency: https://danluu.com/input-lag/ https://danluu.com/input-lag/
  - teddyfrozevelt 8y ago
    These kinds of speed tests where they just open apps and "measure" how long they take to open are extremely unscientific and aren't good indicators of a phone's performance. There's so many variables they never control for except making sure there's no apps in the multitasking view. They're barely useful for anything other than knowing how many milliseconds you'll save opening an app.
    - prolikewh0a 8y ago
      That's why I said 'everyday tasks'. This wasn't really meant to be scientific or compare heavy workloads, but claiming iPhones have a giant advantage in total is a bit untrue.
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      Except opening communication and productivity apps is what people usually do when using their phones, not running CPU benchmarks. That Apple is so far behind and has been for years makes using iOS a laggy experience for anyone used to Android's speed.
      - NeedMoreTea 8y ago
        Interesting. For reasons entirely separate from speed and benchmarks I left Android 18 months or so ago, and bought an iPhone SE knowing it was "last years tech". Despite having had mainly expensive, well specced, Android phones including a flagship or two I found iOS the most responsive, least laggy experience I've ever encountered on a smart phone. I was actually quite shocked at just how impressed I was on iOS 10 after Android phones that had cost me twice as much and many decades learning every UI and UX experience will disappoint.
        lern_too_spel 8y ago
        I have the opposite experience, but these are just anecdotes. Every YouTube video comparing non-Samsung Android to iOS seems to agree with my experience.
      - 8y ago
  - __sr__ 8y ago
    Can the $320 Pocofone F1 let me watch Netflix in HD? I consider that to be an everyday task.
    - lostsock 8y ago
      According to Netflix, yes you can. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939 > In addition to the models listed above, you can stream Netflix in HD on devices powered by the following chipsets. Check with the manufacturer of your device to confirm hardware specifications: [...] Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-9293.php https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-9293.php > Chipset Qualcomm SDM845 Snapdragon 845 (10 nm)
      - __sr__ 8y ago
        No, you can’t. It doesn’t have Widevine L1. https://m.gsmarena.com/the_pocophone_f1_cant_stream_hd_video_from_netflix_hulu_or_amazon-news-33023.php https://m.gsmarena.com/the_pocophone_f1_cant_stream_hd_video...
- jsight 8y ago
  I actually find the touch latency thing to be really misleading. I have one iOS device (and iPad Pro 9.7"). The touch latency is definitely better than my Pixel 2 XL, but not enough for me to ever care about it in the best case for both devices. The annoyances come when the responsiveness is below the standard for either device (eg, 1/4second to 1/2 second delays). I see some of those on both devices, tbh.
StreamBright 8y ago
>>> The processor is one of the only thing Apple has a clear lead in over Android flagships. This is the only thing I do not give a shit about. A much slower CPU would be just fine. The true advantage is the UX. Just try to disable automatic grammar correction on both iOS and Android and count the number of items you had to go through. It is insane how much crap Android has for every single thing. Designed by engineers for engineers mentality is the root cause here. Apple puts the user in charge how an mobile OS should look like or should behave and this is the biggest differentiating factor between iOS vs other platforms.
- leetcrew 8y ago
  how easy is it to block ads on an iPhone these days (including in apps)?
  - ascom 8y ago
    DNSCloak lets you load a blacklist and/or select an ad-blocking DNS server: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dnscloak-dnscrypt-doh-client/id1330471557 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dnscloak-dnscrypt-doh-client... So it's pretty easy.
    - leetcrew 8y ago
      huh, well there goes my main argument against iOS.
    - graeme 8y ago
      Does that let you block urls? Like, the way leechblock does on firefox. I know ios can do this with content blockers, but they only work in safari and are too easy to circumvent.
  - chmars 8y ago
    I use https://1blocker.com/ https://1blocker.com/ on the iPhone. It’s not uBlock Origin but good enough.
- hyperbovine 8y ago
ericd 8y ago
Typing this on a pixel, "fully stable" is a whopper of an exaggeration. Maybe I have a lemon, but I've had camera crashes, GPS issues, numerous freezes in all sorts of Google apps, and more.
- izacus 8y ago
  I had the same thing on my iPhone 6S (yes, it was broken). Sooo, what does this one datapoint prove?
  - ericd 8y ago
    One, not much, but I've had almost every member of the Nexus line, starting at the Nexus One, and none have performed flawlessly. Not this badly, but they've never really approached the level of polish that I've seen on the iPhone. This one is worse to the point that it's making me seriously consider switching to an iPhone. That said, the grass is always greener, and I'm sure I just don't know the flaws on the other side of the fence.
- __sr__ 8y ago
  You are not the only one.
irrational 8y ago
>Android phones have better cameras and match apple in most other hardware metrics High-end android phones. But the run of the mill android phones that most people I know have... not so much.
- dman 8y ago
  Where are the low end iphones?
  - gumby 8y ago
    iPhone SE or 8?
    - jen729w 8y ago
      RIP, SE. I’ll miss mine when it finally dies. One more plus for Apple: in-person support is fantastic. My battery was going, so I made an appointment at the local store. They noticed my screen had a tiny crack at the lower left corner, so while they did the battery, they replaced the screen. Cost: $0. For sure I bought this phone 2+ years ago...
      - ValentineC 8y ago
        > One more plus for Apple: in-person support is fantastic. My battery was going, so I made an appointment at the local store. They noticed my screen had a tiny crack at the lower left corner, so while they did the battery, they replaced the screen. I'm guessing that you met a really nice Genius, because I'd imagine that screen cracks come under accidental damage and usually don't get covered under warranty. I wanted to get my 6S's battery replaced under Apple's 2018 battery replacement program, but it has a cracked screen and Apple won't service the battery unless I replace the screen too.
        jen729w 8y ago
        As it happens, the Genius didn’t spot the tiny crack. As he was typing “no screen damage” in to the system, I pointed it out to him. He said oh, that might make it difficult, because the SE’s battery is accessed via the screen being suction-pulled off. He went out back to check. When he came back, he said they’d replace the screen as well. I’d like to think this is one of those textbook “honesty pays” situations, but who knows.
dwighttk 8y ago
I would also put privacy in Apple’s favor
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  I wouldn't. iOS spies even more by default (no way to disable AGPS vs. opt in on Android) and doesn't allow using privacy-enabling apps by default (system-wide ad/tracker blocker, real Firefox, Signal, local maps, etc.) unless you hack your phone. Worse, it doesn't let you develop for your own phone without rebuilding weekly or paying a yearly fee for the privilege.
  - dwighttk 8y ago
    I use a system-wide ad/tracker blocker (1Blocker X) and Signal. I have a local maps app (maps.me) that I only use when hiking, so I don't know how good it is for general use. That leaves: (1)AGPS (which I'm not informed on, I've never thought of turning it off) (2)real Firefox (aka alternative rendering engine that you can set as the system default) (Develop for your own phone without rebuilding or paying isn't a security thing, just a convenience thing) vs. Google mining your data at every opportunity and Google/carriers dropping support for phones as soon as they can get away with it. I'll take iOS.
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      > I use a system-wide ad/tracker blocker (1Blocker X) It only blocks ads in webviews, unlike ad blockers on Android, which block ads and trackers in native apps as well. > and Signal. I specifically said you can't set it as your default, which makes it significantly less convenient and therefore much less useful. > vs. Google mining your data at every opportunity This happens when you use Google apps on iOS as well. There is no difference. > Google/carriers dropping support for phones as soon as they can get away with it. Buy a phone that gets support. When you buy a car, you don't judge all cars by the worst manufacturers. When you buy an Android phone, doing the same is equally nonsensical. > I'll take iOS. Whatever floats your boat. At least now you have enough information to make an informed decision.
beerlord 8y ago
I was an Android fanatic - I had the very first device, the HTC G1, and about 10 other devices since then. Eventually I got the Google Nexus 5, an Android flagship. Its updates ceased about a year after I bought it. I gave up and got an iPhone 6S. Still getting updates to this day, despite being a 3 year old device. The constant software updates and support that Apple offers is clearly superior to what is provided with Android - even when you buy the 'official' Google phone.
__sr__ 8y ago
> Android phones have better cameras and match apple in most other hardware metrics I am sure there is an Android phone out there which has got a better camera, another one that has got better speakers, yet another one with better display and yet another which had got a better build than iPhone. The thing that most people forget is that almost all Android phones have some USPs and in exchange they compromise a lot on something else. Why do you thing the entire Android ecosystem should be treated as a single entity against the iPhone? Show me an Android that does every single thing better (or on par) with iPhone. My experience has been that iPhones are usually not the absolute best at pretty much anything, but they are usually right up there at the top. Maybe it doesn’t have the absolute best camera, but it certainly has one of the best, and so on. And let’s not even compare the longevity of devices. And before someone talks about prices, Androids that compete in the same arena as the iPhone cost about the same. Then there is the app ecosystem. Sure, you have all the big names available on Android. But there are lot of smaller developers with great apps which are missing from Android — simply because of the crappy ecosystem which takes a village to build and support apps for. There are no apps which come close to the likes of OmniFocus, Things etc. And while Google does come up with cutting edge tech like AR, a lot of it is not adopted immediately — if ever — by the third party developers who have to wait for the shiny new version of Android to gain some momentum — something that takes forever in Android land. So no, it is not just the processor that the iPhone has a clear lead on — it’s the overall experience. I couldn’t care less about the specs as long as the experience is maintained. Full disclaimer: I am someone who usually carries two phones. This means that given the lack of alternatives, I end up with an Android in addition to my iPhone. And while I like some of the features offered by the individual Android OEMs, I do not consider the ecosystem as a whole to be anywhere near comparable to that of iOS.
- moron4hire 8y ago
  I have both a Google Pixel 2 and an Apple iPhone X (my personal and my work phone, respectively) and I seriously prefer the Pixel in every regard, with the minor exception of lacking 3D touch support. But then it doesn't really seem like 3D Touch is used for much of anything on the iPhone (and when it is, it's a hidden cheat-code-like thing that is very undiscoverable). I even like the shape of my Pixel better. The X's bump is a gimmick at best, a hindrance to app presentation at worst.
matchbok 8y ago
Agreed, but I'd also argue that 99% of people don't care about what the processor is. It seems even the basic GUI of Android can't do things that iPhone was doing in 2007. (Live resizing of app windows, realtime view blurring, etc) Even today, the keyboard on Android forces an entire view refresh, awkwardly jerking the entire view. It's a jarring and unfinished experienced IMO.

by screye 8y ago

ddalex 8y ago

> top flagships from Samsung, Google, OnePlus all run Android without any stutter at stable 60fps too This is true. The problem is that the FPS don't matter so much as latency touch-to-update does. And Apple keeps this latency about 1/2 of what Android can do.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
Have any evidence to back that claim up? Even the $320 Pocophone F1 can perform at and above the iPhone XS Max performance in everyday tasks [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88
- lhl 8y ago
  Here’s a slightly older chart of touch latency tests: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriques_the_site_that_found_op3_touch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriq... I’d be interested to see if there are more recent tests. Here’s Dan Luu’s tests on scrolling latency: https://danluu.com/input-lag/ https://danluu.com/input-lag/
- teddyfrozevelt 8y ago
  These kinds of speed tests where they just open apps and "measure" how long they take to open are extremely unscientific and aren't good indicators of a phone's performance. There's so many variables they never control for except making sure there's no apps in the multitasking view. They're barely useful for anything other than knowing how many milliseconds you'll save opening an app.
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    That's why I said 'everyday tasks'. This wasn't really meant to be scientific or compare heavy workloads, but claiming iPhones have a giant advantage in total is a bit untrue.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    Except opening communication and productivity apps is what people usually do when using their phones, not running CPU benchmarks. That Apple is so far behind and has been for years makes using iOS a laggy experience for anyone used to Android's speed.
    - NeedMoreTea 8y ago
      Interesting. For reasons entirely separate from speed and benchmarks I left Android 18 months or so ago, and bought an iPhone SE knowing it was "last years tech". Despite having had mainly expensive, well specced, Android phones including a flagship or two I found iOS the most responsive, least laggy experience I've ever encountered on a smart phone. I was actually quite shocked at just how impressed I was on iOS 10 after Android phones that had cost me twice as much and many decades learning every UI and UX experience will disappoint.
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        I have the opposite experience, but these are just anecdotes. Every YouTube video comparing non-Samsung Android to iOS seems to agree with my experience.
    - 8y ago
- __sr__ 8y ago
  Can the $320 Pocofone F1 let me watch Netflix in HD? I consider that to be an everyday task.
  - lostsock 8y ago
    According to Netflix, yes you can. https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939 > In addition to the models listed above, you can stream Netflix in HD on devices powered by the following chipsets. Check with the manufacturer of your device to confirm hardware specifications: [...] Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-9293.php https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_pocophone_f1-9293.php > Chipset Qualcomm SDM845 Snapdragon 845 (10 nm)
    - __sr__ 8y ago
      No, you can’t. It doesn’t have Widevine L1. https://m.gsmarena.com/the_pocophone_f1_cant_stream_hd_video_from_netflix_hulu_or_amazon-news-33023.php https://m.gsmarena.com/the_pocophone_f1_cant_stream_hd_video...
jsight 8y ago
I actually find the touch latency thing to be really misleading. I have one iOS device (and iPad Pro 9.7"). The touch latency is definitely better than my Pixel 2 XL, but not enough for me to ever care about it in the best case for both devices. The annoyances come when the responsiveness is below the standard for either device (eg, 1/4second to 1/2 second delays). I see some of those on both devices, tbh.

StreamBright 8y ago

>>> The processor is one of the only thing Apple has a clear lead in over Android flagships. This is the only thing I do not give a shit about. A much slower CPU would be just fine. The true advantage is the UX. Just try to disable automatic grammar correction on both iOS and Android and count the number of items you had to go through. It is insane how much crap Android has for every single thing. Designed by engineers for engineers mentality is the root cause here. Apple puts the user in charge how an mobile OS should look like or should behave and this is the biggest differentiating factor between iOS vs other platforms.

leetcrew 8y ago
how easy is it to block ads on an iPhone these days (including in apps)?
- ascom 8y ago
  DNSCloak lets you load a blacklist and/or select an ad-blocking DNS server: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dnscloak-dnscrypt-doh-client/id1330471557 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dnscloak-dnscrypt-doh-client... So it's pretty easy.
  - leetcrew 8y ago
    huh, well there goes my main argument against iOS.
  - graeme 8y ago
    Does that let you block urls? Like, the way leechblock does on firefox. I know ios can do this with content blockers, but they only work in safari and are too easy to circumvent.
- chmars 8y ago
  I use https://1blocker.com/ https://1blocker.com/ on the iPhone. It’s not uBlock Origin but good enough.
hyperbovine 8y ago

ericd 8y ago

Typing this on a pixel, "fully stable" is a whopper of an exaggeration. Maybe I have a lemon, but I've had camera crashes, GPS issues, numerous freezes in all sorts of Google apps, and more.

izacus 8y ago
I had the same thing on my iPhone 6S (yes, it was broken). Sooo, what does this one datapoint prove?
- ericd 8y ago
  One, not much, but I've had almost every member of the Nexus line, starting at the Nexus One, and none have performed flawlessly. Not this badly, but they've never really approached the level of polish that I've seen on the iPhone. This one is worse to the point that it's making me seriously consider switching to an iPhone. That said, the grass is always greener, and I'm sure I just don't know the flaws on the other side of the fence.
__sr__ 8y ago
You are not the only one.

irrational 8y ago

>Android phones have better cameras and match apple in most other hardware metrics High-end android phones. But the run of the mill android phones that most people I know have... not so much.

dman 8y ago
Where are the low end iphones?
- gumby 8y ago
  iPhone SE or 8?
  - jen729w 8y ago
    RIP, SE. I’ll miss mine when it finally dies. One more plus for Apple: in-person support is fantastic. My battery was going, so I made an appointment at the local store. They noticed my screen had a tiny crack at the lower left corner, so while they did the battery, they replaced the screen. Cost: $0. For sure I bought this phone 2+ years ago...
    - ValentineC 8y ago
      > One more plus for Apple: in-person support is fantastic. My battery was going, so I made an appointment at the local store. They noticed my screen had a tiny crack at the lower left corner, so while they did the battery, they replaced the screen. I'm guessing that you met a really nice Genius, because I'd imagine that screen cracks come under accidental damage and usually don't get covered under warranty. I wanted to get my 6S's battery replaced under Apple's 2018 battery replacement program, but it has a cracked screen and Apple won't service the battery unless I replace the screen too.
      - jen729w 8y ago
        As it happens, the Genius didn’t spot the tiny crack. As he was typing “no screen damage” in to the system, I pointed it out to him. He said oh, that might make it difficult, because the SE’s battery is accessed via the screen being suction-pulled off. He went out back to check. When he came back, he said they’d replace the screen as well. I’d like to think this is one of those textbook “honesty pays” situations, but who knows.

dwighttk 8y ago

I would also put privacy in Apple’s favor

lern_too_spel 8y ago
I wouldn't. iOS spies even more by default (no way to disable AGPS vs. opt in on Android) and doesn't allow using privacy-enabling apps by default (system-wide ad/tracker blocker, real Firefox, Signal, local maps, etc.) unless you hack your phone. Worse, it doesn't let you develop for your own phone without rebuilding weekly or paying a yearly fee for the privilege.
- dwighttk 8y ago
  I use a system-wide ad/tracker blocker (1Blocker X) and Signal. I have a local maps app (maps.me) that I only use when hiking, so I don't know how good it is for general use. That leaves: (1)AGPS (which I'm not informed on, I've never thought of turning it off) (2)real Firefox (aka alternative rendering engine that you can set as the system default) (Develop for your own phone without rebuilding or paying isn't a security thing, just a convenience thing) vs. Google mining your data at every opportunity and Google/carriers dropping support for phones as soon as they can get away with it. I'll take iOS.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    > I use a system-wide ad/tracker blocker (1Blocker X) It only blocks ads in webviews, unlike ad blockers on Android, which block ads and trackers in native apps as well. > and Signal. I specifically said you can't set it as your default, which makes it significantly less convenient and therefore much less useful. > vs. Google mining your data at every opportunity This happens when you use Google apps on iOS as well. There is no difference. > Google/carriers dropping support for phones as soon as they can get away with it. Buy a phone that gets support. When you buy a car, you don't judge all cars by the worst manufacturers. When you buy an Android phone, doing the same is equally nonsensical. > I'll take iOS. Whatever floats your boat. At least now you have enough information to make an informed decision.

beerlord 8y ago

I was an Android fanatic - I had the very first device, the HTC G1, and about 10 other devices since then. Eventually I got the Google Nexus 5, an Android flagship. Its updates ceased about a year after I bought it. I gave up and got an iPhone 6S. Still getting updates to this day, despite being a 3 year old device. The constant software updates and support that Apple offers is clearly superior to what is provided with Android - even when you buy the 'official' Google phone.

__sr__ 8y ago

> Android phones have better cameras and match apple in most other hardware metrics I am sure there is an Android phone out there which has got a better camera, another one that has got better speakers, yet another one with better display and yet another which had got a better build than iPhone. The thing that most people forget is that almost all Android phones have some USPs and in exchange they compromise a lot on something else. Why do you thing the entire Android ecosystem should be treated as a single entity against the iPhone? Show me an Android that does every single thing better (or on par) with iPhone. My experience has been that iPhones are usually not the absolute best at pretty much anything, but they are usually right up there at the top. Maybe it doesn’t have the absolute best camera, but it certainly has one of the best, and so on. And let’s not even compare the longevity of devices. And before someone talks about prices, Androids that compete in the same arena as the iPhone cost about the same. Then there is the app ecosystem. Sure, you have all the big names available on Android. But there are lot of smaller developers with great apps which are missing from Android — simply because of the crappy ecosystem which takes a village to build and support apps for. There are no apps which come close to the likes of OmniFocus, Things etc. And while Google does come up with cutting edge tech like AR, a lot of it is not adopted immediately — if ever — by the third party developers who have to wait for the shiny new version of Android to gain some momentum — something that takes forever in Android land. So no, it is not just the processor that the iPhone has a clear lead on — it’s the overall experience. I couldn’t care less about the specs as long as the experience is maintained. Full disclaimer: I am someone who usually carries two phones. This means that given the lack of alternatives, I end up with an Android in addition to my iPhone. And while I like some of the features offered by the individual Android OEMs, I do not consider the ecosystem as a whole to be anywhere near comparable to that of iOS.

moron4hire 8y ago
I have both a Google Pixel 2 and an Apple iPhone X (my personal and my work phone, respectively) and I seriously prefer the Pixel in every regard, with the minor exception of lacking 3D touch support. But then it doesn't really seem like 3D Touch is used for much of anything on the iPhone (and when it is, it's a hidden cheat-code-like thing that is very undiscoverable). I even like the shape of my Pixel better. The X's bump is a gimmick at best, a hindrance to app presentation at worst.

matchbok 8y ago

Agreed, but I'd also argue that 99% of people don't care about what the processor is. It seems even the basic GUI of Android can't do things that iPhone was doing in 2007. (Live resizing of app windows, realtime view blurring, etc) Even today, the keyboard on Android forces an entire view refresh, awkwardly jerking the entire view. It's a jarring and unfinished experienced IMO.