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Crazy how far ahead the iPhone is over every single Android phone. I moved over years ago because of the horrible hardware, lower-quality apps, and lack of supp

Crazy how far ahead the iPhone is over every single Android phone. I moved over years ago because of the horrible hardware, lower-quality apps, and lack of support. Seems like this trend will continue.

Spooks 8y ago
Isn't this just an iteration on last year’s iPhone X? I always thought android were further ahead in a lot of departments (especially hardware). Mainly because there is a new android phone almost weekly, which sometimes uses new technology that the iPhone did not have available to them at the time. Though I would agree on the quality of apps.
- simonh 8y ago
  >Isn't this just an iteration on last year’s iPhone X? In the way that every iPhone has been an iteration on previous models, but here we are. The main feature this year is photographic quality is difficult lighting conditions, particularly low light and with harsh backlighting. Some of the side by sides with pictures taken with last years model are pretty impressive. In terms of hardware, it used to be that Android manufacturers could get a new component into a phone maybe 6 months before Apple, but nowadays Apple is developing custom hardware features Android manufacturers have now way to replicate. Things like in house developed health sensors, neural engine CPU co-processors for the image enhancements I mentioned above. The 3D face scanning tech in Face ID. These aren’t things that can be knocked together in 6 months, it takes years, so we’ve gone from occasionally Apple missing a feature for 6 months and sometimes stealing a 6 months March, to its competitors now being several years behind, if they even have a path to effectively competing at all. But as ever, it just depends what features matter to you and at what price point.
Grazester 8y ago
The hardware quality of Android phones are pretty good and the phones do not suffer as a result of their processor. If anything I would however say they suffer because of their bloat software(that is installed onto of Android).
screye 8y ago
I don't think that's a fair statement. The processor is one of the only thing Apple has a clear lead in over Android flagships. (Others being customer support and longevity) Android hardware and software are fully stable now. Android phones have better cameras and match apple in most other hardware metrics (display, speakers, antennas, build, touch response) Software wise, it comes down to preferences. Both have a few things they do well, and others they stumble on. iOS12 is from what I have heard, smoother as butter. However, top flagships from Samsung, Google, OnePlus all run Android without any stutter at stable 60fps too. All of my daily apps/usecases are at parity with their iOS. I don't know if the app ecosystem complaints are valid in 2018. (Apart from snap chat, because they have some wierd hate for Android) I can respect your choice of wanting an Apple device. Especially if you are invested in their hardware and software ecosystem. But to someone who isn't, the iPhone does offer enough to switch from Android.
- ddalex 8y ago
  > top flagships from Samsung, Google, OnePlus all run Android without any stutter at stable 60fps too This is true. The problem is that the FPS don't matter so much as latency touch-to-update does. And Apple keeps this latency about 1/2 of what Android can do.
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    Have any evidence to back that claim up? Even the $320 Pocophone F1 can perform at and above the iPhone XS Max performance in everyday tasks [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88
    - lhl 8y ago
      Here’s a slightly older chart of touch latency tests: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriques_the_site_that_found_op3_touch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriq... I’d be interested to see if there are more recent tests. Here’s Dan Luu’s tests on scrolling latency: https://danluu.com/input-lag/ https://danluu.com/input-lag/
EpicEng 8y ago
If only they'd let me do the things I want to do with my phone.
- dijit 8y ago
  Well. That’s fair and I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. However I have to ask: what do you want to do on your phone?
  - EpicEng 8y ago
    The big thing for me (though there are others) is emulating old games. I realize this is probably not a super high demand use case, but I love playing NES and SNES games on my phone during... down time. I was an iPhone user for some time, but got fed up with Apple telling me what software I could and could not run (without a jail break / side load.) I'd go back if they free up the app store market a bit. I don't find some of their restrictions reasonable.
    - spectralwarp 8y ago
      This isn't a solution for most, but if you know your way around XCode, you can build https://github.com/libretro/RetroArch https://github.com/libretro/RetroArch for any iOS device without the need for jailbreak. The repo contains working xcode projects (though it still may take a little tinkering...) I even got it running on my appleTV!
      - EpicEng 8y ago
        Sure, there are a bunch of ways I could have accomplished what I wanted. You can side load quite a few emulators these days without rooting, but man... just... why do I have to? On android I download the thing and go. Once driod hardware and software got better I dropped iOS and haven't looked back.
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        You would have to rebuild the app weekly unless you pay Apple a yearly fee.
Ataraxy 8y ago
Yeah that's not hyperbole or anything.
izacus 8y ago
I don't understand, why did you feel like you had to put down Android in this thread with statement that is unsubstantiated and probably years out of date at least? If you're happy with your current iPhone (yay!)... why the need for this inflammatory rethoric? Or is it marketing?
bjoli 8y ago
Unless you have very specific apps you use (most big ones are the same imo) I'd recommend getting a low end Android phone over a 1400 dollar phone any friggin day. My $279 phone has taken more beating than all my iProducts combined and still works great, and whenever it breaks I can fix most of it myself (not having to deal with an apple store is always a big plus).
- cycrutchfield 8y ago
  This is like trying to argue that your Toyota Corolla is a superior car when compared to a Mercedes. It's a very narrow utilitarian way of thinking that only appeals to ascetics.
  - bjoli 8y ago
    A $250 phone is a high end phone from 2 years ago, and for most people that is more than enough. There are no low end iPhones, and apple is pretty good at making people think they need a Ferrari when all they want is to go from point a to point b in a decent way.
    - ratfaced-guy 8y ago
      When it comes to consumer electronics I have come to the conclusion it makes more sense to pay more for the best available now (an iPhone) and holding for longer, rather than try to pinch pennies by buying yesteryear's technology. It's the only way to get acceptable usable life out of them.
      - bjoli 8y ago
        Apple has been making hardware with sub par durability for quite some time. The only things they made more durable have all been at the expense of repairability. The whole bendgate thing? Yup, apple actually went against best practice and stopped using proper underfill. The result? The touch-ic chip came off. Who would have guessed that a bendy phone without underfill would have flexion damage? Everybody. Even apple themselves, in official, leaked documents. Apple has been extremely successful at denying problems up until there is a class action lawsuit. Then they silently release a pretty hostile repair program with the words "a small percentage of iDevices ...". I used to be the biggest apple fanboy, but after having not one, but two macbooks fail on me was more than I was willing to stand. The last time I had to chose: leave the device to them in an official repair programme and have it wiped OR saving the data on it and void any apple repair programme (they later changed this policy though). Why? Because some sort of catch-22 where they would not do data recovery on a device with a faulty logic board (onto which they had soldered the SSD!) and the fix was a new logic board with a new SSD with the old logic board and SSD sent away for refurbishment. Think different! Don't take my words for it. Take this repair guys words for it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8&t=0s&list=PLkVbIsAWN2lt0BofwC-Tzge89fxTC-ZfU&index=3 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8&t=0s&list=PLkVbIsA...
rajacombinator 8y ago
This seems like a super delusional/ill informed comment. The iPhone excels in various benchmarks that don’t matter for the typical user. Otherwise android hardware and software is extremely competitive, often better, at much lower prices. Especially the mid range phones coming out of China. Take a look at the Oneplus 6 and tell me the iPhone XS is 2x better than that phone. Because the price is 2x. I’m a long time Apple user looking to switch soon.
- threeseed 8y ago
  iPhones are worth 2x as much because they last 2x as much. In iOS 12 the performance of the iPhone 6s was dramatically improved which was released over 3 years ago. And Apple will continue to release software updates for probably another year or two. How many Android devices are receiving updates 4-5 years after release ?
- matchbok 8y ago
  Really, only a handful of people care about benchmarks. Phones are no longer "computers". They are personal items that we all depend on. Processors and RAM simply don't matter. iPhones are worth more than any other phone 2 years after release.
andrepd 8y ago
>horrible hardware, lower-quality apps, and lack of support The latest pixel (if you want to use that as a comparison) has better or equivalent specs in almost everything other than CPU power. Lack of support? Well look at how the Nexus 5 still has the latest android version available. And for me the clincher. Can I install an alternative free OS (like you can install Lineage in the pixel)? If not, then into the trash it goes.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > Well look at how the Nexus 5 still has the latest android version available. …didn't Google drop support after Marshmallow?
megablast 8y ago
The other crazy thing is Apple keeps delivering these big increases. If this was Intel, you would get a 10% increase every year.
exadeci 8y ago
People often if not always compare their <$500 Android to an Iphone. A fair comparison is a Galaxy S/Note vs Iphone and aside from the cpu the Samsung phones win IMO

Spooks 8y ago

Isn't this just an iteration on last year’s iPhone X? I always thought android were further ahead in a lot of departments (especially hardware). Mainly because there is a new android phone almost weekly, which sometimes uses new technology that the iPhone did not have available to them at the time. Though I would agree on the quality of apps.

simonh 8y ago
>Isn't this just an iteration on last year’s iPhone X? In the way that every iPhone has been an iteration on previous models, but here we are. The main feature this year is photographic quality is difficult lighting conditions, particularly low light and with harsh backlighting. Some of the side by sides with pictures taken with last years model are pretty impressive. In terms of hardware, it used to be that Android manufacturers could get a new component into a phone maybe 6 months before Apple, but nowadays Apple is developing custom hardware features Android manufacturers have now way to replicate. Things like in house developed health sensors, neural engine CPU co-processors for the image enhancements I mentioned above. The 3D face scanning tech in Face ID. These aren’t things that can be knocked together in 6 months, it takes years, so we’ve gone from occasionally Apple missing a feature for 6 months and sometimes stealing a 6 months March, to its competitors now being several years behind, if they even have a path to effectively competing at all. But as ever, it just depends what features matter to you and at what price point.

Grazester 8y ago

The hardware quality of Android phones are pretty good and the phones do not suffer as a result of their processor. If anything I would however say they suffer because of their bloat software(that is installed onto of Android).

screye 8y ago

I don't think that's a fair statement. The processor is one of the only thing Apple has a clear lead in over Android flagships. (Others being customer support and longevity) Android hardware and software are fully stable now. Android phones have better cameras and match apple in most other hardware metrics (display, speakers, antennas, build, touch response) Software wise, it comes down to preferences. Both have a few things they do well, and others they stumble on. iOS12 is from what I have heard, smoother as butter. However, top flagships from Samsung, Google, OnePlus all run Android without any stutter at stable 60fps too. All of my daily apps/usecases are at parity with their iOS. I don't know if the app ecosystem complaints are valid in 2018. (Apart from snap chat, because they have some wierd hate for Android) I can respect your choice of wanting an Apple device. Especially if you are invested in their hardware and software ecosystem. But to someone who isn't, the iPhone does offer enough to switch from Android.

ddalex 8y ago
> top flagships from Samsung, Google, OnePlus all run Android without any stutter at stable 60fps too This is true. The problem is that the FPS don't matter so much as latency touch-to-update does. And Apple keeps this latency about 1/2 of what Android can do.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  Have any evidence to back that claim up? Even the $320 Pocophone F1 can perform at and above the iPhone XS Max performance in everyday tasks [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPiTZHdP88
  - lhl 8y ago
    Here’s a slightly older chart of touch latency tests: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriques_the_site_that_found_op3_touch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5fp160/les_numeriq... I’d be interested to see if there are more recent tests. Here’s Dan Luu’s tests on scrolling latency: https://danluu.com/input-lag/ https://danluu.com/input-lag/

EpicEng 8y ago

If only they'd let me do the things I want to do with my phone.

dijit 8y ago
Well. That’s fair and I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. However I have to ask: what do you want to do on your phone?
- EpicEng 8y ago
  The big thing for me (though there are others) is emulating old games. I realize this is probably not a super high demand use case, but I love playing NES and SNES games on my phone during... down time. I was an iPhone user for some time, but got fed up with Apple telling me what software I could and could not run (without a jail break / side load.) I'd go back if they free up the app store market a bit. I don't find some of their restrictions reasonable.
  - spectralwarp 8y ago
    This isn't a solution for most, but if you know your way around XCode, you can build https://github.com/libretro/RetroArch https://github.com/libretro/RetroArch for any iOS device without the need for jailbreak. The repo contains working xcode projects (though it still may take a little tinkering...) I even got it running on my appleTV!
    - EpicEng 8y ago
      Sure, there are a bunch of ways I could have accomplished what I wanted. You can side load quite a few emulators these days without rooting, but man... just... why do I have to? On android I download the thing and go. Once driod hardware and software got better I dropped iOS and haven't looked back.
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      You would have to rebuild the app weekly unless you pay Apple a yearly fee.

Ataraxy 8y ago

Yeah that's not hyperbole or anything.

izacus 8y ago

I don't understand, why did you feel like you had to put down Android in this thread with statement that is unsubstantiated and probably years out of date at least? If you're happy with your current iPhone (yay!)... why the need for this inflammatory rethoric? Or is it marketing?

bjoli 8y ago

Unless you have very specific apps you use (most big ones are the same imo) I'd recommend getting a low end Android phone over a 1400 dollar phone any friggin day. My $279 phone has taken more beating than all my iProducts combined and still works great, and whenever it breaks I can fix most of it myself (not having to deal with an apple store is always a big plus).

cycrutchfield 8y ago
This is like trying to argue that your Toyota Corolla is a superior car when compared to a Mercedes. It's a very narrow utilitarian way of thinking that only appeals to ascetics.
- bjoli 8y ago
  A $250 phone is a high end phone from 2 years ago, and for most people that is more than enough. There are no low end iPhones, and apple is pretty good at making people think they need a Ferrari when all they want is to go from point a to point b in a decent way.
  - ratfaced-guy 8y ago
    When it comes to consumer electronics I have come to the conclusion it makes more sense to pay more for the best available now (an iPhone) and holding for longer, rather than try to pinch pennies by buying yesteryear's technology. It's the only way to get acceptable usable life out of them.
    - bjoli 8y ago
      Apple has been making hardware with sub par durability for quite some time. The only things they made more durable have all been at the expense of repairability. The whole bendgate thing? Yup, apple actually went against best practice and stopped using proper underfill. The result? The touch-ic chip came off. Who would have guessed that a bendy phone without underfill would have flexion damage? Everybody. Even apple themselves, in official, leaked documents. Apple has been extremely successful at denying problems up until there is a class action lawsuit. Then they silently release a pretty hostile repair program with the words "a small percentage of iDevices ...". I used to be the biggest apple fanboy, but after having not one, but two macbooks fail on me was more than I was willing to stand. The last time I had to chose: leave the device to them in an official repair programme and have it wiped OR saving the data on it and void any apple repair programme (they later changed this policy though). Why? Because some sort of catch-22 where they would not do data recovery on a device with a faulty logic board (onto which they had soldered the SSD!) and the fix was a new logic board with a new SSD with the old logic board and SSD sent away for refurbishment. Think different! Don't take my words for it. Take this repair guys words for it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8&t=0s&list=PLkVbIsAWN2lt0BofwC-Tzge89fxTC-ZfU&index=3 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8&t=0s&list=PLkVbIsA...

rajacombinator 8y ago

This seems like a super delusional/ill informed comment. The iPhone excels in various benchmarks that don’t matter for the typical user. Otherwise android hardware and software is extremely competitive, often better, at much lower prices. Especially the mid range phones coming out of China. Take a look at the Oneplus 6 and tell me the iPhone XS is 2x better than that phone. Because the price is 2x. I’m a long time Apple user looking to switch soon.

threeseed 8y ago
iPhones are worth 2x as much because they last 2x as much. In iOS 12 the performance of the iPhone 6s was dramatically improved which was released over 3 years ago. And Apple will continue to release software updates for probably another year or two. How many Android devices are receiving updates 4-5 years after release ?
matchbok 8y ago
Really, only a handful of people care about benchmarks. Phones are no longer "computers". They are personal items that we all depend on. Processors and RAM simply don't matter. iPhones are worth more than any other phone 2 years after release.

andrepd 8y ago

>horrible hardware, lower-quality apps, and lack of support The latest pixel (if you want to use that as a comparison) has better or equivalent specs in almost everything other than CPU power. Lack of support? Well look at how the Nexus 5 still has the latest android version available. And for me the clincher. Can I install an alternative free OS (like you can install Lineage in the pixel)? If not, then into the trash it goes.

saagarjha 8y ago
> Well look at how the Nexus 5 still has the latest android version available. …didn't Google drop support after Marshmallow?

megablast 8y ago

The other crazy thing is Apple keeps delivering these big increases. If this was Intel, you would get a 10% increase every year.

exadeci 8y ago

People often if not always compare their <$500 Android to an Iphone. A fair comparison is a Galaxy S/Note vs Iphone and aside from the cpu the Samsung phones win IMO