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Currently a perfect diabetes, obesitas (and also cancer & alzheimer's) storm is brewing. My gut instinct (pun intended) tells me it mainly has dietary causes w

Currently a perfect diabetes, obesitas (and also cancer & alzheimer's) storm is brewing. My gut instinct (pun intended) tells me it mainly has dietary causes which are not limited to increased portions alone.

vezycash 8y ago
Some books I've read say increased portions are a symptom of something else. E.g. Inability to feel satisfied.
- bunderbunder 8y ago
  So, tying it back to artificial sweeteners, there's a fair bit of research to suggest that consuming them causes you to feel more hungry.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    The real question is, are they still preferable to sugar anyway given the lower caloric value? My experience is yes.
  - com2kid 8y ago
    Just the taste something sweet spikes insulin levels[1], and as you said at least some artificial sweeteners don't cause fullness[2] (I am amused that is not the major finding there, heh). It makes sense, the body releases insulin in expectation of nutrition coming in, but no nutrition comes in, so the end result is feeling hungrier than before. [1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17510492 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17510492 [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21255472 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21255472
nervousvarun 8y ago
Processed foods + sedentary lifestyles = perfect storm. Pretty obvious "something" happened in the 70s and we've been on this ride ever since: https://nchspressroom.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/obesity.gif https://nchspressroom.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/obesity.gi...
- unstuckdev 8y ago
  Realizing one 2 tablespoon serving of peanut butter was half a full meal was a wakeup call. It turns out 1/4 or less of a "serving" of most processed things works the same taste-wise and doesn't lead to insatiable hunger later.
  - bb101 8y ago
    Interestingly, peanut butter is near the bottom of the scale for being insulinogenic (the food insulin index). That means it's less likely to be put away as fat according to The Personalized Diet by Drs Segal and Elinav [1] [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/1478918802 https://www.amazon.com/dp/1478918802
    - unstuckdev 8y ago
      Does this factor in the added sugar in most peanut butters? I can't find any without it around here.
      - XorNot 8y ago
        Switch to unsweetened, unsalted peanut butter. It's amazing - after 2 weeks I stopped noticing the difference. The amount of sugar in most peanut butter is absurd. Once you kick the sugar taste, oh wow do you realize its got a much more interesting and involved flavor.
      - Dirlewanger 8y ago
        It probably does. Colloquially when one says peanut butter, people think of Jiff, which can be best described as a disgusting peanut-flavored spread product. Go with natural peanut butter (i.e. where the only ingredient is peanuts and it must be stirred) and you're all good.
      - astura 8y ago
        Peanut butter without sugar is labeled as "natural peanut butter" in the US.
    - 8y ago
datavirtue 8y ago
Already been proven. The problem now is getting the government to change thier food recommendations based on the findings. The fight has been going on since the 1970s. We are talking about a fundamental change to society here.

vezycash 8y ago

Some books I've read say increased portions are a symptom of something else. E.g. Inability to feel satisfied.

bunderbunder 8y ago
So, tying it back to artificial sweeteners, there's a fair bit of research to suggest that consuming them causes you to feel more hungry.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  The real question is, are they still preferable to sugar anyway given the lower caloric value? My experience is yes.
- com2kid 8y ago
  Just the taste something sweet spikes insulin levels[1], and as you said at least some artificial sweeteners don't cause fullness[2] (I am amused that is not the major finding there, heh). It makes sense, the body releases insulin in expectation of nutrition coming in, but no nutrition comes in, so the end result is feeling hungrier than before. [1]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17510492 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17510492 [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21255472 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21255472

nervousvarun 8y ago

Processed foods + sedentary lifestyles = perfect storm. Pretty obvious "something" happened in the 70s and we've been on this ride ever since: https://nchspressroom.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/obesity.gif https://nchspressroom.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/obesity.gi...

unstuckdev 8y ago
Realizing one 2 tablespoon serving of peanut butter was half a full meal was a wakeup call. It turns out 1/4 or less of a "serving" of most processed things works the same taste-wise and doesn't lead to insatiable hunger later.
- bb101 8y ago
  Interestingly, peanut butter is near the bottom of the scale for being insulinogenic (the food insulin index). That means it's less likely to be put away as fat according to The Personalized Diet by Drs Segal and Elinav [1] [1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/1478918802 https://www.amazon.com/dp/1478918802
  - unstuckdev 8y ago
    Does this factor in the added sugar in most peanut butters? I can't find any without it around here.
    - XorNot 8y ago
      Switch to unsweetened, unsalted peanut butter. It's amazing - after 2 weeks I stopped noticing the difference. The amount of sugar in most peanut butter is absurd. Once you kick the sugar taste, oh wow do you realize its got a much more interesting and involved flavor.
    - Dirlewanger 8y ago
      It probably does. Colloquially when one says peanut butter, people think of Jiff, which can be best described as a disgusting peanut-flavored spread product. Go with natural peanut butter (i.e. where the only ingredient is peanuts and it must be stirred) and you're all good.
    - astura 8y ago
      Peanut butter without sugar is labeled as "natural peanut butter" in the US.
  - 8y ago

datavirtue 8y ago

Already been proven. The problem now is getting the government to change thier food recommendations based on the findings. The fight has been going on since the 1970s. We are talking about a fundamental change to society here.