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The moral situation around sex-offences does seem to lead to some weird and unpleasant situations. This reminds me of the Julia Tuttle Causeway "colony", a grou
by adam-a 8y ago
The moral situation around sex-offences does seem to lead to some weird and unpleasant situations. This reminds me of the Julia Tuttle Causeway "colony", a group of sex offenders who were released but forced to live under a highway because they were legally not allowed within a certain radius of any school and this was the only spot in the state that would allow them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Tuttle_Causeway_sex_offender_colony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Tuttle_Causeway_sex_offe...
- kevinmchugh 8y agoMany states also bar sex offenders from living near public parks, and then jurisdictions will create tiny parks out of odd bits of land, to chase sex offenders away: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/building-tiny-parks-to-drive-sex-offenders-away.html https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/building-tiny-parks-to... Louis Theroux has done two documentaries on the subject, both very interesting.
- hyperbovine 8y agoIsn't it odd that you can murder someone, do 20 years, and have paid your debt to society, while a sex offense follows you around for the rest of your life. The punishment does not fit the crime in some cases.
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- pbhjpbhj 8y agoUsually a murder targets a particular person; whilst sex offences target categories of people.
- hyperbovine 8y agoSorry, but this makes no sense whatsoever. We don't convict people of crimes based on the category of people they target.
- pbhjpbhj 8y agoI fear you've misunderstood. People often murder because of who the victim is, but they sexually attack because of what the person is. There are contradictions both ways, however. For example, a rapist attacks a man they met at a club, generally that's because they're looking for a body to use sexually. There are lots of people with those bodies. When they leave prison they can still find many bodies to use sexually; the chance of recidivism is relatively high. A woman kills her partner after years of abuse, when she leaves prison that person no longer exists and she's unlikely to ever be in a similar situation. The chance of recidivism is relatively low. TLDR You can't murder the same person again; you can assault another person who fits a general profile.
- Chris2048 8y agoYou've chosen very different examples: "A woman kills her partner after years of abuse" Are you justifying murder? Why wouldn't the woman kill another partner?
- paulddraper 8y agoIndeed, in the US, the 3-year recidivism rate for homicide is half of that for rape. (1.2% vs 2.5%) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism#Recidivism_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism#Recidivism_rates
- macintux 8y agoFinding a job as a felon isn't exactly a cakewalk, but I agree that the treatment of sex offenders is troubling.
- poulsbohemian 8y agoIf you want to hear some stories like this, take a Greyhound bus out of a prison town. On release day, the prisoners get/acquire a bus ticket back to wherever they need to be. So you'll see a group of people wearing the same drab, ill-fitting clothing, carrying their only life possessions in a shoebox. You get talking to these people and it's pretty clear that while many would like to escape the system, they don't know how. The stories are nearly universal - terrible home life as children, lack of support network, poverty, drugs, limited education or training. And, with a record, you are spot on that it is hard for them to find meaningful work.
- paulddraper 8y ago1. First degree murder does not usually get 20 years. 2. The usual justification (which I can't attest to the validity of) is that the recidivism rate for sex crimes is very high.
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