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I'm not seeing where I claimed that California doesn't have many black people. I recognize it does, but as of 2010 57% of all black Americans live in the Southe

I'm not seeing where I claimed that California doesn't have many black people. I recognize it does, but as of 2010 57% of all black Americans live in the Southern US, and trends keep showing that number is only growing. Heck, black millenials in particular, the people who are of the age to contribute the most to the workforce in the next few decades are disproportionately moving to the south, from all regions[1]. To reiterate, my main point is still that it impossible to have a number of black people in tech that is even close to being representative of the overall population of black people in the US without including the southern US in the tech workforce. Fair enough on busing though, seems there is a lot of inconclusive data floating around. First hand though, I went to an extremely diverse high school for 3 years (about equal parts white, black, and hispanic students) and a not diverse HS for one (90%+ white, in a different county) and there's no doubt that the on-campus environment was less toxic towards people of all races at the diverse one. I never once heard a white person throw out a racially insensitive term just to be "edgy" when half of that person's friends and classmates would actually notice and be offended. It happened way too often at the other school though. [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/opinion/sunday/racism-is-everywhere-so-why-not-move-south.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/opinion/sunday/racism-is-... > A report released last year by the New York City comptroller, Scott Stringer, found that between 2000 and 2014 about 61 percent of millennials moving to New York were white, while only 9 percent of 18- to 29-year olds moving into the city were black. > Nationally, almost 82,000 black millennials migrated south in 2014, according to an analysis of census data done independently by Artem Gulish, a senior analyst at the Center on Education and the Workforce at Georgetown. Forty percent of these black transplants came from the Northeast, 37 percent from the Midwest and 23 percent from the West. Black millennials from abroad are more likely to settle in the South.

seanmcdirmid 8y ago
I went to a racially diverse HS as well in Vicksburg that was 60% black, 49% white. n-bombs were dropped all the time, outside of band mixing was rare. Even the neighborhoods were pretty segregated (whites mostly living out in the county, blacks mostly in the city). The next county west across the river was where David duke had all his political support. Our experiences differ significantly (MS, LA, and AL are also bottom ranked states for issues like this). It is hard to consider the south as a monolithic entity. Some states are way behind others.
- sudosteph 8y ago
  Wow, that surprises me that still happens. Thanks for sharing that experience. Being perfectly honest, I suspect the reason the n-bomb didnt get thrown around by white people in my world was half because of respect, and half because if anyone did, they would get their ass beat. I never witnessed that first hand, but people got their ass handed to them for much smaller insults than that. But typically the type of guys who would start fights were all part of the same group (chronic skippers, people into drugs, hard partiers) so the white ones had no incentive to ruin their whole social life and get excluded from the fun over stupid racism. And maybe that just goes back to having integrated neighborhoods and a pretty good black middle class, so that while most poor people were black or Hispanic, it wasn't something you where you could assume class by race. The white kids who grew up in the poorest neighborhoods (ie, public housing) usually adopted mostly black friend groups, and their style and mannerisms were more like their black peers, while upper class black people typically did the opposite (took on styles and had friend groups that were mostly white). I will say that the poor white people with black friend groups had some a tough time, other white people would frequently bully them openly for not conforming. I don't know if they also faced that from some black peers, but probably so.

seanmcdirmid 8y ago

I went to a racially diverse HS as well in Vicksburg that was 60% black, 49% white. n-bombs were dropped all the time, outside of band mixing was rare. Even the neighborhoods were pretty segregated (whites mostly living out in the county, blacks mostly in the city). The next county west across the river was where David duke had all his political support. Our experiences differ significantly (MS, LA, and AL are also bottom ranked states for issues like this). It is hard to consider the south as a monolithic entity. Some states are way behind others.

sudosteph 8y ago
Wow, that surprises me that still happens. Thanks for sharing that experience. Being perfectly honest, I suspect the reason the n-bomb didnt get thrown around by white people in my world was half because of respect, and half because if anyone did, they would get their ass beat. I never witnessed that first hand, but people got their ass handed to them for much smaller insults than that. But typically the type of guys who would start fights were all part of the same group (chronic skippers, people into drugs, hard partiers) so the white ones had no incentive to ruin their whole social life and get excluded from the fun over stupid racism. And maybe that just goes back to having integrated neighborhoods and a pretty good black middle class, so that while most poor people were black or Hispanic, it wasn't something you where you could assume class by race. The white kids who grew up in the poorest neighborhoods (ie, public housing) usually adopted mostly black friend groups, and their style and mannerisms were more like their black peers, while upper class black people typically did the opposite (took on styles and had friend groups that were mostly white). I will say that the poor white people with black friend groups had some a tough time, other white people would frequently bully them openly for not conforming. I don't know if they also faced that from some black peers, but probably so.