5 ms·

Those are just some assertions you made, most of which are considered "wrong" by experts who have spent time in this domain. > cheaper You realize we get to u

Those are just some assertions you made, most of which are considered "wrong" by experts who have spent time in this domain. > cheaper You realize we get to use volunteer labor here. > more audit That's broadly dissented unless you presume a given-by-god form of "done properly" and no-true-scotsman your way out of any constructive discussion. > ability for voters to verify their vote ALSO broadly dissented or at best extremely nontrivial. Blinded cryptographic operations are the territory you're talking about if you want to be in the ballpark of correct, and while the theory exists, the practice is again... not a given. I'm not even sure the theory is fully available for this domain. Remember, one of the core concepts in a functional democracy is a secret ballot. This is essential to avoiding Some Very Nice People hovering just outside the polling place to make sure everyone in the area voted "correctly".

astrodust 8y ago
"Secret" means not only can the government not find out how you voted, but you can't prove who you voted for either. Both are extremely important. If you can prove who you voted for you can collect a payment for voting a particular way. I can't believe people keep advocating for "proof" systems without recognizing this fatal flaw.
- IshKebab 8y ago
  I am not advocating a system that allows you to prove to others how you voted. That would be stupid. But it is pretty easy to have a system that lets you verify to yourself that your vote was recorded correctly.
  - astrodust 8y ago
    How are those two different? How can you prove to yourself and yet not to others?
daphneokeefe 8y ago
Not sure where "here" is, but everybody working the polls in California is paid, and there are a lot of us, so it isn't "cheaper" because of that. See my comment below.
IshKebab 8y ago
> Blinded cryptographic operations are the territory you're talking about No I am not. It is simple really - when you vote you get some kind of a receipt with a vote ID on it. And on the screen it tells you an easy-to-remember number (for example 0-9). When you want to verify your vote you go online and check that the verification digit matches. You still can't prove to anyone else how you voted (unless you take a photo, but that is true already and is a reason taking photos is banned).

astrodust 8y ago

"Secret" means not only can the government not find out how you voted, but you can't prove who you voted for either. Both are extremely important. If you can prove who you voted for you can collect a payment for voting a particular way. I can't believe people keep advocating for "proof" systems without recognizing this fatal flaw.

IshKebab 8y ago
I am not advocating a system that allows you to prove to others how you voted. That would be stupid. But it is pretty easy to have a system that lets you verify to yourself that your vote was recorded correctly.
- astrodust 8y ago
  How are those two different? How can you prove to yourself and yet not to others?

daphneokeefe 8y ago

Not sure where "here" is, but everybody working the polls in California is paid, and there are a lot of us, so it isn't "cheaper" because of that. See my comment below.

IshKebab 8y ago

> Blinded cryptographic operations are the territory you're talking about No I am not. It is simple really - when you vote you get some kind of a receipt with a vote ID on it. And on the screen it tells you an easy-to-remember number (for example 0-9). When you want to verify your vote you go online and check that the verification digit matches. You still can't prove to anyone else how you voted (unless you take a photo, but that is true already and is a reason taking photos is banned).