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Lot of generalizations and stupid assumptions in that video, like where he argues that of course the ballots will be uploaded over the internet without any auth
by rohit2412 8y ago
Lot of generalizations and stupid assumptions in that video, like where he argues that of course the ballots will be uploaded over the internet without any authentication/checksum.
I don't see why a digital counting machine which is kept completely offline and is transported physically cannot be used, specially if we can verify it's counting functions by randomly verifying a few of those machines (also keep paper ballots, just use the machine to count ballots), or statistics, and use an external randomization/derandomization module.
- mdorazio 8y agoHang on. You want to use a counting machine, and then physically transport it around to avoid security issues instead of just using proven human counters and physically transported ballots because....???? Why? Just why? What problem is this solving? Does getting your results a few hours sooner make a single bit of difference to merit this madness?
- hvdhh7 8y agoPerhaps because counting tens of thousands of near-identical pieces of paper is exactly the sort of repetitive, robotic task we've entrusted machines to perform more accurately than humans since at least the 1940s.
- monocasa 8y agoYou realize that the article in question is about hacks against vote tabulating machines right?
- hvdhh7 8y agoI do. But a non-hacked vote tabulating machine will still do the job better than non-hacked humans. Add a high enough percentage of random hand audits of the machine but counts to ensure they're functioning correctly, and you should get a reasonably high confidence that you have the most accurate count.
- monocasa 8y agoBut why? The number of humans to count votes scales linearly with the number of votes cast.
- moviuro 8y ago> Add a high enough percentage of random hand audits of the machine but counts to ensure they're functioning correctly, and you should get a reasonably high confidence that you have the most accurate count. Defies the purpose of electronic machines completely. Why use machines + lots of auditors, when just more counters (worth less than auditors) could do the same job, with a much higher cost to corrupt?...
- rohit2412 8y agoBecause paper ballots are easily subverted. In my country (India) it was not uncommon to have goons take up a polling booth and slid hundreds of fake ballots in, or throw in ink in the ballot box. Digital counters stop such attacks.
- moviuro 8y ago> over the internet without any authentication/checksum As if the totally secure communications over Internet problem had been solved. Why are we seeing SO MANY issues with TLS, VPNs, hardcoded root passwords everywhere, ssh issues even!...
- rohit2412 8y agoI am advocating a glorified digital calculator with printed out ballot copies. What's called VVPAT. Not online voting.