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Simple: delete your Facebook account. Many of us already have. Nothing will send a stronger message than people doing this en masse. Even if they don't get the

by jzl 8y ago

Simple: delete your Facebook account. Many of us already have. Nothing will send a stronger message than people doing this en masse. Even if they don't get the message or don't care, it's the only way to protect yourself from their never-ending privacy violations.

fosco 8y ago
I deleted facebook in 2008, this article discusses shadow profiles.... I suspect that more people deleting facebook and moving to facebook owned subsidiaries, or anything that is centrally owned and not federated will not solve the problem. even then there will be new mining techniques with their own set of challenges. unfortunately I do not think that more people doing that will solve the root of the problem... only try to treat a symptom.
- starbugs 8y ago
  It will be a part of the solution even if it won't solve the problem on its own. If enough people decide to turn their backs on FB (or any other company doing things like this), there will be a market for better solutions. It needs time.
Ari_Ugwu 8y ago
This. Though I will say, in my opinion tech companies are more or less wild animals we pretend are domesticated. Nothing is free. Facebook continues to do good for people. Twitter as well. These are invaluable communication channels for many people. I imagine this problem will get fixed about the same time my physical spam mail stops arriving. I'm not holding my breath, given that I can _say_ something to my wife in the privacy of our own home and get a cold call or physical mailing about it a few weeks later. I try to encourage people to pay for the services they believe in. Whether you love or hate Microsoft for $6.99/mo you can get Office, (decently private) email, cloud storage, and Skype. Hate Skype? Don't blame you but from there you can get a phone number that you can give out and keep your personal number just for family/emergencies. This sends a powerful message to folks trying to build a better mouse trap. It is _very_ hard to produce a free service that competes with these folks but if we show we're willing to pay for privacy then maybe we'll start to see competitive innovation in that space again. Now that I have a family it inspires rage that my phone rings constantly from spammers and I might ignore a call that's time sensitive and important.
- cdcfa78156ae5 8y ago
  > Whether you love or hate Microsoft for $6.99/mo you can get Office, (decently private) email, cloud storage, and Skype. Hate Skype? Don't blame you but from there you can get a phone number that you can give out and keep your personal number just for family/emergencies. Microsoft compromises the security and privacy of all of their online services, including Skype, Outlook.com, and Hotmail: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-... A much better alternative is to give your money to independent telephony providers that run on, and support, Free Software: https://jmp.chat/ https://jmp.chat/
394549 8y ago
> Simple: delete your Facebook account. Many of us already have. Nothing will send a stronger message than people doing this en masse. Even if they don't get the message or don't care, it's the only way to protect yourself from their never-ending privacy violations. And if you're not willing to delete your account just yet, switch your profile pic and cover photo to messages saying you're planning on using Facebook less or eventually deleting your account. If enough people do that, it adds a social element to the exodus. Just deleting you account makes it poof out of existence without a sound, and most of your FB friends won't even notice.
- ConceptJunkie 8y ago
  That's a good point. When the only option to make your opinion known is to quit, you've reached a bad place. Unfortunately, it seems like that's becoming more and more common these days.
ufo 8y ago
I wish it were that simple. In Brazil, Whatsapp has effectively replaced SMS as the standard form of communication.
kevin_b_er 8y ago
Facebook will still harvest your personal information to profit from. They'll just do without your involvement. They'll get it from anyone or anything you've ever revealed information about yourself to.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  If you're a EU resident, use GDPR early and often on them.
  - ta345908345908 8y ago
    Australia needs something like the GDPR, can't happen soon enough. I enjoyed the wild west days of IT, but I think now companies are enjoying it a bit too much. It doesn't help that legislators wouldn't have the foggiest clue about some of these issues^, so there's no impetus from the legal community or political arena to make changes, while nefarious companies are doing whatever the hell they like. I deleted FB years ago, and this infuriates me to know they might still be trying to sell my information based on contacts and what I share with them. ^ Actually, they've recently tried to pretend they are above the law of mathematics, so...

by jzl 8y ago

fosco 8y ago

I deleted facebook in 2008, this article discusses shadow profiles.... I suspect that more people deleting facebook and moving to facebook owned subsidiaries, or anything that is centrally owned and not federated will not solve the problem. even then there will be new mining techniques with their own set of challenges. unfortunately I do not think that more people doing that will solve the root of the problem... only try to treat a symptom.

starbugs 8y ago
It will be a part of the solution even if it won't solve the problem on its own. If enough people decide to turn their backs on FB (or any other company doing things like this), there will be a market for better solutions. It needs time.

Ari_Ugwu 8y ago

This. Though I will say, in my opinion tech companies are more or less wild animals we pretend are domesticated. Nothing is free. Facebook continues to do good for people. Twitter as well. These are invaluable communication channels for many people. I imagine this problem will get fixed about the same time my physical spam mail stops arriving. I'm not holding my breath, given that I can _say_ something to my wife in the privacy of our own home and get a cold call or physical mailing about it a few weeks later. I try to encourage people to pay for the services they believe in. Whether you love or hate Microsoft for $6.99/mo you can get Office, (decently private) email, cloud storage, and Skype. Hate Skype? Don't blame you but from there you can get a phone number that you can give out and keep your personal number just for family/emergencies. This sends a powerful message to folks trying to build a better mouse trap. It is _very_ hard to produce a free service that competes with these folks but if we show we're willing to pay for privacy then maybe we'll start to see competitive innovation in that space again. Now that I have a family it inspires rage that my phone rings constantly from spammers and I might ignore a call that's time sensitive and important.

cdcfa78156ae5 8y ago
> Whether you love or hate Microsoft for $6.99/mo you can get Office, (decently private) email, cloud storage, and Skype. Hate Skype? Don't blame you but from there you can get a phone number that you can give out and keep your personal number just for family/emergencies. Microsoft compromises the security and privacy of all of their online services, including Skype, Outlook.com, and Hotmail: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-... A much better alternative is to give your money to independent telephony providers that run on, and support, Free Software: https://jmp.chat/ https://jmp.chat/

394549 8y ago

> Simple: delete your Facebook account. Many of us already have. Nothing will send a stronger message than people doing this en masse. Even if they don't get the message or don't care, it's the only way to protect yourself from their never-ending privacy violations. And if you're not willing to delete your account just yet, switch your profile pic and cover photo to messages saying you're planning on using Facebook less or eventually deleting your account. If enough people do that, it adds a social element to the exodus. Just deleting you account makes it poof out of existence without a sound, and most of your FB friends won't even notice.

ConceptJunkie 8y ago
That's a good point. When the only option to make your opinion known is to quit, you've reached a bad place. Unfortunately, it seems like that's becoming more and more common these days.

ufo 8y ago

I wish it were that simple. In Brazil, Whatsapp has effectively replaced SMS as the standard form of communication.

kevin_b_er 8y ago

Facebook will still harvest your personal information to profit from. They'll just do without your involvement. They'll get it from anyone or anything you've ever revealed information about yourself to.

toomuchtodo 8y ago
If you're a EU resident, use GDPR early and often on them.
- ta345908345908 8y ago
  Australia needs something like the GDPR, can't happen soon enough. I enjoyed the wild west days of IT, but I think now companies are enjoying it a bit too much. It doesn't help that legislators wouldn't have the foggiest clue about some of these issues^, so there's no impetus from the legal community or political arena to make changes, while nefarious companies are doing whatever the hell they like. I deleted FB years ago, and this infuriates me to know they might still be trying to sell my information based on contacts and what I share with them. ^ Actually, they've recently tried to pretend they are above the law of mathematics, so...