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The dirty secret is that socioeconomic status and race are very related.

seanmcdirmid 8y ago
Related but not very. There are plenty of poor white people in the USA, trailer park trash and red neck being the slurs often used. And outside of the US, it can be totally separated. In China, for example, many of the poor people are ethnic han.
- Retric 8y ago
  Poor white people are significantly less likely to live in cities. This has widespread impact, for example urban populations have more frequent police contact. ex: "Poor African Americans are four times more likely than poor whites to live in the central city, and twenty five times more likely to live in high-poverty neighborhoods." https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/67111/407425-Poor-People-and-Poor-Neighborhoods-in-The-Washington-Metropolitan-Area.pdf https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/67111/...
  - seanmcdirmid 8y ago
    That is true, but poor whites are just as likely to be suburban as they are rural. There are also cities that are famous for white poverty; e.g. those in much of the rust belt where Trump got much of his support and places like Spokane and Portland that act as magnets for huge rural regions.
    - Retric 8y ago
      Looking at Ohio Trump got about the normal number of republican votes, just enough to beat 2012 Obama but not 2006 Bush, or 2008 Obama even with a larger population. It's really Hillary that bombed. 2006 George W. Bush 2,859,768 2008 John McCain 2,677,820 2012 Mitt Romney 2,661,437 2016 Donald Trump: 2,841,005 vs. 2004 John Kerry 2,741,167 2008 Barack Obama 2,940,044 2012 Barack Obama 2,827,709 2018 Hillary Clinton 2,394,164
- ProfessorLayton 8y ago
  Related, and very much so. The biggest indicator of future socioeconomic status is educational attainment. The biggest indicator of educational attainment is wealth. > Where does the biggest source of material wealth typically come from? Housing! > Was housing policy racist? Very explicitly so, even in the progressive Bay Area. See: redlining. > Are some of the policies that stemmed from racism still on the books in major metropolitan areas? Yes! Many of these exact policies are what's keeping from more housing from being built right now! What policies, you ask? Here's a few. - Excessively large minimum lot sizes - High setback requirements - Very low height limits - Very high car parking requirements While many of these requirements sound reasonable on their face, they were in fact implemented to keep out PoC [1]. Now they're used by people on the top of the socioeconomic pyramid to keep those on the bottom out. [1] Further reading: The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein
  - briandear 8y ago
    How does lot size affect people of color?
    - ProfessorLayton 8y ago
      Collectively all these ordinances increased housing prices by limiting density. It meant that PoC couldn't pool their resources and build more on a lot, or just buy a smaller home on a small lot in the first place. Combined with the fact that PoC couldn't get loans approved due to redlining, it was very effective.

Related but not very. There are plenty of poor white people in the USA, trailer park trash and red neck being the slurs often used. And outside of the US, it can be totally separated. In China, for example, many of the poor people are ethnic han.

Retric 8y ago
Poor white people are significantly less likely to live in cities. This has widespread impact, for example urban populations have more frequent police contact. ex: "Poor African Americans are four times more likely than poor whites to live in the central city, and twenty five times more likely to live in high-poverty neighborhoods." https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/67111/407425-Poor-People-and-Poor-Neighborhoods-in-The-Washington-Metropolitan-Area.pdf https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/67111/...
- seanmcdirmid 8y ago
  That is true, but poor whites are just as likely to be suburban as they are rural. There are also cities that are famous for white poverty; e.g. those in much of the rust belt where Trump got much of his support and places like Spokane and Portland that act as magnets for huge rural regions.
  - Retric 8y ago
    Looking at Ohio Trump got about the normal number of republican votes, just enough to beat 2012 Obama but not 2006 Bush, or 2008 Obama even with a larger population. It's really Hillary that bombed. 2006 George W. Bush 2,859,768 2008 John McCain 2,677,820 2012 Mitt Romney 2,661,437 2016 Donald Trump: 2,841,005 vs. 2004 John Kerry 2,741,167 2008 Barack Obama 2,940,044 2012 Barack Obama 2,827,709 2018 Hillary Clinton 2,394,164
ProfessorLayton 8y ago
Related, and very much so. The biggest indicator of future socioeconomic status is educational attainment. The biggest indicator of educational attainment is wealth. > Where does the biggest source of material wealth typically come from? Housing! > Was housing policy racist? Very explicitly so, even in the progressive Bay Area. See: redlining. > Are some of the policies that stemmed from racism still on the books in major metropolitan areas? Yes! Many of these exact policies are what's keeping from more housing from being built right now! What policies, you ask? Here's a few. - Excessively large minimum lot sizes - High setback requirements - Very low height limits - Very high car parking requirements While many of these requirements sound reasonable on their face, they were in fact implemented to keep out PoC [1]. Now they're used by people on the top of the socioeconomic pyramid to keep those on the bottom out. [1] Further reading: The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein
- briandear 8y ago
  How does lot size affect people of color?
  - ProfessorLayton 8y ago
    Collectively all these ordinances increased housing prices by limiting density. It meant that PoC couldn't pool their resources and build more on a lot, or just buy a smaller home on a small lot in the first place. Combined with the fact that PoC couldn't get loans approved due to redlining, it was very effective.