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> “The idea of Cupertino is to have people living here that are educated with degrees. Bringing this in would bring a lot of probably lower income people, and t
by jiveturkey 8y ago
> “The idea of Cupertino is to have people living here that are educated with degrees. Bringing this in would bring a lot of probably lower income people, and that would definitely bring down our median average household income.”
Doesn't seem covertly racist to me, but maybe I choose not to see it. It's bad enough on its face so no need to add racism really.
A: they don't like poor people
B: they don't want poor people living near them
C: they want to prop up home values and this would limit that
D: they feel comfortable speaking for cupertino as a whole, so probably a long time resident.
Cupertino is overwhelmingly asian, 63% vs 32% in the county. Cupertino is a very wealthy town (rank 11th nationally in its size range). I think it's completely understandable, without introducing race, that anyone in a wealthy town doesn't want poor people bringing down the neighborhood. (Not saying it is or isn't correct or moral.)
Also just want to point out that Cupertino is not urban.
- bigdubs 8y agoThe dirty secret is that socioeconomic status and race are very related.
- seanmcdirmid 8y agoRelated but not very. There are plenty of poor white people in the USA, trailer park trash and red neck being the slurs often used. And outside of the US, it can be totally separated. In China, for example, many of the poor people are ethnic han.
- Retric 8y agoPoor white people are significantly less likely to live in cities. This has widespread impact, for example urban populations have more frequent police contact. ex: "Poor African Americans are four times more likely than poor whites to live in the central city, and twenty five times more likely to live in high-poverty neighborhoods." https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/67111/407425-Poor-People-and-Poor-Neighborhoods-in-The-Washington-Metropolitan-Area.pdf https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/67111/...
- seanmcdirmid 8y agoThat is true, but poor whites are just as likely to be suburban as they are rural. There are also cities that are famous for white poverty; e.g. those in much of the rust belt where Trump got much of his support and places like Spokane and Portland that act as magnets for huge rural regions.
- Retric 8y agoLooking at Ohio Trump got about the normal number of republican votes, just enough to beat 2012 Obama but not 2006 Bush, or 2008 Obama even with a larger population. It's really Hillary that bombed. 2006 George W. Bush 2,859,768 2008 John McCain 2,677,820 2012 Mitt Romney 2,661,437 2016 Donald Trump: 2,841,005 vs. 2004 John Kerry 2,741,167 2008 Barack Obama 2,940,044 2012 Barack Obama 2,827,709 2018 Hillary Clinton 2,394,164
- ProfessorLayton 8y agoRelated, and very much so. The biggest indicator of future socioeconomic status is educational attainment. The biggest indicator of educational attainment is wealth. > Where does the biggest source of material wealth typically come from? Housing! > Was housing policy racist? Very explicitly so, even in the progressive Bay Area. See: redlining. > Are some of the policies that stemmed from racism still on the books in major metropolitan areas? Yes! Many of these exact policies are what's keeping from more housing from being built right now! What policies, you ask? Here's a few. - Excessively large minimum lot sizes - High setback requirements - Very low height limits - Very high car parking requirements While many of these requirements sound reasonable on their face, they were in fact implemented to keep out PoC [1]. Now they're used by people on the top of the socioeconomic pyramid to keep those on the bottom out. [1] Further reading: The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein
- briandear 8y agoHow does lot size affect people of color?
- ProfessorLayton 8y agoCollectively all these ordinances increased housing prices by limiting density. It meant that PoC couldn't pool their resources and build more on a lot, or just buy a smaller home on a small lot in the first place. Combined with the fact that PoC couldn't get loans approved due to redlining, it was very effective.
- arebop 8y agoIt doesn't really matter but I'll just point out that the poor people they are fearing here are still rich enough to afford an apartment in Cupertino, meaning that they're millionaires. Just likely single-digit millionaires rather than the sort who can afford SFHs in that town.
- brazzledazzle 8y agoIf I’m understanding correctly the implication is that they’re concerned about the attached low income housing that’s (I believe) mandatory for all new housing developments in California.
- jessaustin 8y agoWow another regulation with "unintended" consequences!
- luckydata 8y agoSure, but what's the average skin color of poor people? Let's not pretend that doesn't play a factor, and that Asians are somewhat immune to racism.
- AnthonyMouse 8y ago> Doesn't seem covertly racist to me, but maybe I choose not to see it. It's bad enough on its face so no need to add racism really. Arguing about whether economic policies are racist is a purposeful distraction. As if screwing over poor black families is completely reasonable as long as you're also screwing over poor white families. As soon as you make it about race, you divide the poor into separate groups who are nominally at odds with each other even though in practice they have the same interests (e.g. lower housing costs). Then they fight against each other instead of fighting together for lower housing costs. It's a divide and conquer strategy to preserve the status quo.
- masonic 8y agoIt "doesn't seem racist" when Asians advocate such policies, but it does when whites do?