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US: Nice. Then we will just roll the dice once a week and point our finger to random big company of yours.

by snaky 8y ago

david927 8y ago
The U.S. wouldn't do this because it would have no effect.
- stefanfisk 8y ago
  the investigations, even if they find nothing, would require huge compliance efforts for the companies targeted.
  - XorNot 8y ago
    Presuming the supreme court goes along with a fishing expedition like that though. Which even with a stacked court is a big presumption.
NicoJuicy 8y ago
Looks like a vicious circle to me
antr 8y ago
RoW: Good luck defending arbitrary behaviour in front of a court
- anomaly_ 8y ago
  As opposed to the EU’s totally non-arbitrary action against US technology multinationals from a tax and competition perspective?
  - antr 8y ago
    You said it: non-arbitrary
  - rusk 8y ago
    All completely legal tho
  - lumberjack 8y ago
    How ironic that you do not even realise how entitled you are to make such a remark. The EU is regulating its own markets. The US is trying to stop the EU from trading with Iran.
  - zimablue 8y ago
    Think about what you're saying. If you read British history, the empire before this one, we used military dominance to force China to allow our companies to deal opium to their society, totally ravaging it. You're makinga similar argument except instead of opium it's surveillance capitalism. Whether or not you think SC is bad, it's hard to justify why countries shouldn't be allowed to take their own approach to what's allowed through their borders. And why countries should allow companies with natural monopolies and mayb massive profit margins to basically milk their citizens. Honestly I wish the EU /really/ did tech protectionism.
- snaky 8y ago
  I couldn't find the word 'court' in https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/08/285043.htm https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/08/285043.htm
  - antr 8y ago
    That is because your are looking in the wrong place. Please refer to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. In the JCPOA sanctions are regulated. As long as Iran agrees to nuclear restrictions in exchange for the financial benefits of sanctions relief (as agreed in the JCPOA), the other members should be safe from a legal standpoint. Additionally, the EU Blocking Statute [1] came into force, mitigating any sanctions that the US might impose due to companies trading with Iran. [1] http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4805_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4805_en.htm
  - miracle2k 8y ago
    Certainly sanctioned or fined European banks would have the ability to challenge the measures in a US court. On the other hand, sanctions on a state are usually met with an equivalent response, and the only question is how powerful the other side is. In the case of the EU, the answer is, not powerless. Look, the US has a lot of cards to play. But randomly bullying banks who didnt do anything wrong, as per your suggestion, is not a particularly effective one, so they won't do that.
    - snaky 8y ago
      > effective It depends. If that would make some voters happy enough to vote Republicans in November, wouldn't it be effective?
close04 8y ago
These measures usually have 2 unpleasant side-effects for the initiator: they trigger some form of retaliation and they push the other party closer to the enemy. In this case it could come back to harm the US tech sector for example, and it would push EU closer to China and Russia.
- bsaul 8y ago
  « pushing closer to the ennemi », yet i don’t think any european citizen will understand why we prefer to start a judiciary war against the US just so that we can help a muslim theocracy broaden its influence in the middle east. It doesn’t serm to me that the public opinion in europe is really heading toward that kind of opinion.
  - close04 8y ago
    I mean closer economically. It would strengthen economic ties between EU and China or Russia.
  - saiya-jin 8y ago
    Public opinion in Europe ain't very positive about Trump either, every other day its another eye roll because of what that ego maniac did/said/didn't, how rude and unfair he is. This is what people see. On the other side, what specifically Iran did do to deserve this? Yes they meddle around their neighbors, just like every other country. US is the last who should be blaming others for this, Iran is at least home and not inciting civil wars in Mexico or Cuba. In the same time Saudi Arabia doing some small-scale genocide in Yemen, bombing civilians left and right gets a free pass and very friendly attitude, yet they are the one of the biggest exporters of terrorism and country is as far from freedom and equality as one can be in 21st century.
    - plopilop 8y ago
      I'll add that sanctions were imposed because Iran was getting greedy with nuclear power. Now that Iran backed off, there is no reason to continue these sanctions. Moreover everyone voted to lift said sanctions in 2015, and now some orange dude said 'no fuck u' despite his country having signed the arrangement and wants to force everyone else to unilaterally accept his own conditions. It's good to see that Europe finally grew a spine.
tanilama 8y ago
Will I am sure EU will take one from FANG to take money back, it is not like they are already actively doing this /s
NTDF9 8y ago
>> US: Nice. Then we will just roll the dice once a week and point our finger to random big company of yours. This is exactly the kind of bullying attitude that is pushing US allies away from the US. Using the dollar as a weapon causes everyone to desperately seek alternatives.

US: Nice. Then we will just roll the dice once a week and point our finger to random big company of yours.

by snaky 8y ago

US: Nice. Then we will just roll the dice once a week and point our finger to random big company of yours.

david927 8y ago

The U.S. wouldn't do this because it would have no effect.

stefanfisk 8y ago
the investigations, even if they find nothing, would require huge compliance efforts for the companies targeted.
- XorNot 8y ago
  Presuming the supreme court goes along with a fishing expedition like that though. Which even with a stacked court is a big presumption.

NicoJuicy 8y ago

Looks like a vicious circle to me

antr 8y ago

RoW: Good luck defending arbitrary behaviour in front of a court

anomaly_ 8y ago
As opposed to the EU’s totally non-arbitrary action against US technology multinationals from a tax and competition perspective?
- antr 8y ago
  You said it: non-arbitrary
- rusk 8y ago
  All completely legal tho
- lumberjack 8y ago
  How ironic that you do not even realise how entitled you are to make such a remark. The EU is regulating its own markets. The US is trying to stop the EU from trading with Iran.
- zimablue 8y ago
  Think about what you're saying. If you read British history, the empire before this one, we used military dominance to force China to allow our companies to deal opium to their society, totally ravaging it. You're makinga similar argument except instead of opium it's surveillance capitalism. Whether or not you think SC is bad, it's hard to justify why countries shouldn't be allowed to take their own approach to what's allowed through their borders. And why countries should allow companies with natural monopolies and mayb massive profit margins to basically milk their citizens. Honestly I wish the EU /really/ did tech protectionism.
snaky 8y ago
I couldn't find the word 'court' in https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/08/285043.htm https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/08/285043.htm
- antr 8y ago
  That is because your are looking in the wrong place. Please refer to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. In the JCPOA sanctions are regulated. As long as Iran agrees to nuclear restrictions in exchange for the financial benefits of sanctions relief (as agreed in the JCPOA), the other members should be safe from a legal standpoint. Additionally, the EU Blocking Statute [1] came into force, mitigating any sanctions that the US might impose due to companies trading with Iran. [1] http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4805_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4805_en.htm
- miracle2k 8y ago
  Certainly sanctioned or fined European banks would have the ability to challenge the measures in a US court. On the other hand, sanctions on a state are usually met with an equivalent response, and the only question is how powerful the other side is. In the case of the EU, the answer is, not powerless. Look, the US has a lot of cards to play. But randomly bullying banks who didnt do anything wrong, as per your suggestion, is not a particularly effective one, so they won't do that.
  - snaky 8y ago
    > effective It depends. If that would make some voters happy enough to vote Republicans in November, wouldn't it be effective?

close04 8y ago

These measures usually have 2 unpleasant side-effects for the initiator: they trigger some form of retaliation and they push the other party closer to the enemy. In this case it could come back to harm the US tech sector for example, and it would push EU closer to China and Russia.

bsaul 8y ago
« pushing closer to the ennemi », yet i don’t think any european citizen will understand why we prefer to start a judiciary war against the US just so that we can help a muslim theocracy broaden its influence in the middle east. It doesn’t serm to me that the public opinion in europe is really heading toward that kind of opinion.
- close04 8y ago
  I mean closer economically. It would strengthen economic ties between EU and China or Russia.
- saiya-jin 8y ago
  Public opinion in Europe ain't very positive about Trump either, every other day its another eye roll because of what that ego maniac did/said/didn't, how rude and unfair he is. This is what people see. On the other side, what specifically Iran did do to deserve this? Yes they meddle around their neighbors, just like every other country. US is the last who should be blaming others for this, Iran is at least home and not inciting civil wars in Mexico or Cuba. In the same time Saudi Arabia doing some small-scale genocide in Yemen, bombing civilians left and right gets a free pass and very friendly attitude, yet they are the one of the biggest exporters of terrorism and country is as far from freedom and equality as one can be in 21st century.
  - plopilop 8y ago
    I'll add that sanctions were imposed because Iran was getting greedy with nuclear power. Now that Iran backed off, there is no reason to continue these sanctions. Moreover everyone voted to lift said sanctions in 2015, and now some orange dude said 'no fuck u' despite his country having signed the arrangement and wants to force everyone else to unilaterally accept his own conditions. It's good to see that Europe finally grew a spine.

tanilama 8y ago

Will I am sure EU will take one from FANG to take money back, it is not like they are already actively doing this /s

NTDF9 8y ago

>> US: Nice. Then we will just roll the dice once a week and point our finger to random big company of yours. This is exactly the kind of bullying attitude that is pushing US allies away from the US. Using the dollar as a weapon causes everyone to desperately seek alternatives.