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It wont help that North Carolina Senate in 2012 voted to prohibit agencies and towns from using the latest scientific data on sea-level rise in coastal manageme

It wont help that North Carolina Senate in 2012 voted to prohibit agencies and towns from using the latest scientific data on sea-level rise in coastal management decisions.

technofiend 8y ago
It will as a cautionary tale if nothing else. If NC's groundwater is polluted from coal ash and their tourist industry devastated from their head-in-the-ground attitude while South Carolina thrives it'll eventually force change, despite (IMHO) lobbying by energy industry interests.
kevin_b_er 8y ago
In another Republican Party controlled state, Florida, they've also forbidden agencies to talk about climate change, global warming. The truth will eventually come out by way of reality, but people will suffer for their greed.
- claydavisss 8y ago
  California hardly has a Republican party at all anymore but produces more greenhouse gas than any other state. And before you try to rationalize this with "per capita" arguments....you don't lose your home or get cancer "per capita"...the absolute numbers matter and California has higher absolute numbers than any other state.
  - matchbok 8y ago
    What state has the most people and largest economy? Ok.
    - claydavisss 8y ago
      So since the USA has the largest global economy it should also get a pass? Good thing then we didn't sign the Paris Accord, being the largest economy and all. The Chinese will also be happy to find out that by virtue of having the largest population, they also get a ready-made excuse.
      - jmcqk6 8y ago
        You seem to be acting like California is not taking the most active steps among all the states for curbing emissions. I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make.
      - matchbok 8y ago
        Your base argument is hugely flawed. Take a second look.
  - rkallos 8y ago
    Texas produces nearly twice as much CO2 as California. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_carbon_... 2. https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/state/analysis/images/figure_1.jpg https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/state/analysis/ima...
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  - gascan 8y ago
    And before you try to rationalize this with "per capita" arguments This is moronic. After all, the other 49 states combined produce more greenhouse gas than California. Don't try to rationalize that with "per capita" or "per land area" arguments, the absolute numbers matter.
  - liveoneggs 8y ago
    your points are true at an individual level but CA is the 3rd largest state and has, by far, the largest population. It is roughly the same size and population as all of Spain, for example.
- ryanmarsh 8y ago
  Not that I see this as totally implausible but I would love to see a source for this claim.
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- WorldMaker 8y ago
  In the mean time it only adds additional ammo to the Cities versus States "Civil Cold War" going on right now. Cities like Miami absolutely know and are tracking climate change, because they have to, and the complaints of City Mayors to State Legislatures with Blinders On show how painfully divorced most US States currently are from their tax bases, having willfully gerrymandered themselves to give a disproportionate vote to rural concerns over urban concerns.
  - CptFribble 8y ago
    It's not because they wanted to give rural votes more weight. The Republican Party ran a massive, coordinated operation to take over state legislatures, who control the redistricting process, to ensure GOP dominance in the House. In 2012, more votes total were cast for Democrats, but the Republicans retained 33-seat majority. The state laws ignoring climate change in favor of fossil fuel business is just a side-benefit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/REDMAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/REDMAP
    - WorldMaker 8y ago
      Oh yes, they knew what they were doing. Rural votes typically vote more conservatively and urban votes typically more progressively/liberally. Giving rural votes more weight was definitely the strategy to get more weight to conservative votes. The cities versus rural counties "Cold Civil War" is absolutely the intentional consequence of the Republican strategy over the last many decades. The next question is how long this particular civil war stays cold, given how much increasing ammo (lit. and fig.) is being stockpiled by each side.
    - toasterlovin 8y ago
      Honestly, everybody knows what the game is. The left should get their shit together and play the game that counts (winning elections), rather than the one that doesn't (% of popular vote).
ryanmarsh 8y ago
Wait what? Do you have a source for this?
- Buldak 8y ago
  The first result in my Google search: https://www.ucsusa.org/publications/ask/2012/NC-sea-level.html https://www.ucsusa.org/publications/ask/2012/NC-sea-level.ht...

It wont help that North Carolina Senate in 2012 voted to prohibit agencies and towns from using the latest scientific data on sea-level rise in coastal management decisions.

technofiend 8y ago

It will as a cautionary tale if nothing else. If NC's groundwater is polluted from coal ash and their tourist industry devastated from their head-in-the-ground attitude while South Carolina thrives it'll eventually force change, despite (IMHO) lobbying by energy industry interests.

kevin_b_er 8y ago

In another Republican Party controlled state, Florida, they've also forbidden agencies to talk about climate change, global warming. The truth will eventually come out by way of reality, but people will suffer for their greed.

claydavisss 8y ago
California hardly has a Republican party at all anymore but produces more greenhouse gas than any other state. And before you try to rationalize this with "per capita" arguments....you don't lose your home or get cancer "per capita"...the absolute numbers matter and California has higher absolute numbers than any other state.
- matchbok 8y ago
  What state has the most people and largest economy? Ok.
  - claydavisss 8y ago
    So since the USA has the largest global economy it should also get a pass? Good thing then we didn't sign the Paris Accord, being the largest economy and all. The Chinese will also be happy to find out that by virtue of having the largest population, they also get a ready-made excuse.
    - jmcqk6 8y ago
      You seem to be acting like California is not taking the most active steps among all the states for curbing emissions. I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make.
    - matchbok 8y ago
      Your base argument is hugely flawed. Take a second look.
- rkallos 8y ago
  Texas produces nearly twice as much CO2 as California. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_carbon_... 2. https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/state/analysis/images/figure_1.jpg https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/state/analysis/ima...
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- gascan 8y ago
  And before you try to rationalize this with "per capita" arguments This is moronic. After all, the other 49 states combined produce more greenhouse gas than California. Don't try to rationalize that with "per capita" or "per land area" arguments, the absolute numbers matter.
- liveoneggs 8y ago
  your points are true at an individual level but CA is the 3rd largest state and has, by far, the largest population. It is roughly the same size and population as all of Spain, for example.
ryanmarsh 8y ago
Not that I see this as totally implausible but I would love to see a source for this claim.
deleted 8y ago
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WorldMaker 8y ago
In the mean time it only adds additional ammo to the Cities versus States "Civil Cold War" going on right now. Cities like Miami absolutely know and are tracking climate change, because they have to, and the complaints of City Mayors to State Legislatures with Blinders On show how painfully divorced most US States currently are from their tax bases, having willfully gerrymandered themselves to give a disproportionate vote to rural concerns over urban concerns.
- CptFribble 8y ago
  It's not because they wanted to give rural votes more weight. The Republican Party ran a massive, coordinated operation to take over state legislatures, who control the redistricting process, to ensure GOP dominance in the House. In 2012, more votes total were cast for Democrats, but the Republicans retained 33-seat majority. The state laws ignoring climate change in favor of fossil fuel business is just a side-benefit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/REDMAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/REDMAP
  - WorldMaker 8y ago
    Oh yes, they knew what they were doing. Rural votes typically vote more conservatively and urban votes typically more progressively/liberally. Giving rural votes more weight was definitely the strategy to get more weight to conservative votes. The cities versus rural counties "Cold Civil War" is absolutely the intentional consequence of the Republican strategy over the last many decades. The next question is how long this particular civil war stays cold, given how much increasing ammo (lit. and fig.) is being stockpiled by each side.
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    Honestly, everybody knows what the game is. The left should get their shit together and play the game that counts (winning elections), rather than the one that doesn't (% of popular vote).

ryanmarsh 8y ago

Wait what? Do you have a source for this?

Buldak 8y ago
The first result in my Google search: https://www.ucsusa.org/publications/ask/2012/NC-sea-level.html https://www.ucsusa.org/publications/ask/2012/NC-sea-level.ht...