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Sad to say the book isn't on Library Genesis, so you'll have to drop $40 if you want the knowledge. http://libgen.io/search.php?req=little+typer http://libgen.i

Sad to say the book isn't on Library Genesis, so you'll have to drop $40 if you want the knowledge. http://libgen.io/search.php?req=little+typer http://libgen.io/search.php?req=little+typer Also Library Genesis is amazing: http://libgen.io/search.php?req=knuth http://libgen.io/search.php?req=knuth It's everything I dreamed of when I was a kid. I used to spend hours at the local library scouring through crummy "Learn C++ in 24 hours" type books. http://custodians.online/ http://custodians.online/ is worth a read too.

adamnemecek 8y ago
It came out today.
Hates_ 8y ago
Seems like libgen is blocked in the UK. I get redirected to http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk/ http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk/
- jacoblambda 8y ago
  http://gen.lib.rus.ec/ http://gen.lib.rus.ec/ seems to work fine
hackermailman 8y ago
The knowledge is freely available, here's Dan Licata giving an introduction to Dependent Types for functional programmers https://youtu.be/LXvP1A97oAM https://youtu.be/LXvP1A97oAM Even though watching that, I probably think I understand Dependent Types then I'll read the Little Typer and discover my intuition was wrong like when I read the Seasoned Schemer and thought I already knew everything there was to know about the concept of higher order functions.
bordercases 8y ago
It'll happen.
anothergoogler 8y ago
The book didn't materialize from thin air, the authors are even named on its cover.
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mjfl 8y ago
It took a lot of work for the author to draft this. Would it kill you to compensate them for it?
xevb3k 8y ago
I feel like there’s so much to say about this comment, that I don’t even know where to start. So firstly I agree, $40 seems like a lot. I personally couldn’t justify it at the moment. Particularly when the reproduction cost is nearly zero. But $40 also doesn’t seem like a lot to pay for a book that will probably not sell more than a few thousand copies. Most likely revenue generated won’t fully cover the time and effort required to create such a book. But... the author is also a professor at MIT. I feel like if this work wasn’t somewhat publicly funded, it really should have been. In the end, I’m left morally confused. But it feels like something is wrong in the world when a book like this is available only to a select few, when for the same capital outlay it could be available to everybody.
- billsix 8y ago
  > In the end, I’m left morally confused. But it feels like something is wrong in the world when a book like this is available only to a select few, when for the same capital outlay it could be available to everybody. Only to a select few? For $40? The book costs less than most console video games.
  - sillysaurus3 8y ago
    Another way of phrasing that: The book costs as much as work that took dozens of people years to make. Also if you were to somehow poll everyone reading this and ask "Did you buy this book?" you'd get some number, x. But if the book were priced at $5, then $5y would be much greater than $40x. I bought a bamboo fineline pencil for $50 the other day. It's a tool that will serve me for at least a year. It's unclear whether this book would. I want work like this to exist, and for the author to be rewarded for it. But ultimately, in an era when words are infinitely and instantaneously copyable, the economic value of words seems to drop. Given the choice between stealing knowledge and not stealing knowledge, when you wouldn't have paid for it anyway, where's the harm?
    - billsix 8y ago
      > Given the choice between stealing knowledge and not stealing knowledge, when you wouldn't have paid for it anyway, where's the harm? As a working adult, time spent reading a book is both more limited and more valuable than $40. If you wouldn't have bought it anyways, why is it worth your time stealing and reading it? Although it was an unpopular opinion at the time, I agree with Metallica's outspoken moral opposition to Napster circa 2000.
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mi_lk 8y ago
Sad because it's not available for free? What is this attitude? At least local libraries actually buy the book to support the authors.
sriram_malhar 8y ago
As an author of a book on which I worked incredibly hard, FUCK you. If you want it so bad, buy it. Or wait a few years, buy it used. Or borrow it from a library. Don't fucking steal it. Carpenters and other craftspeople who earn far less than the denizens of Hacker News buy whatever they need to further their business. They don't steal others' tools.
- sillysaurus3 8y ago
  I'd be happy to debate, if you're interested. But in the meantime it appears that the anger is misplaced; direct it at the fact that we have this wonderful tool that destroys class barriers and makes knowledge free to all. You act as if I have $40. Would it surprise you to learn my power was cut off within the last few months? Another point: "Stealing" implies something was lost. The words are still there, even if I have copied them. The game industry and the iPhone app store have proven that when you price something closer to $1, it will generate exponentially more revenue than $40.
  - billsix 8y ago
    > Would it surprise you to learn my power was cut off Passive verbs are weak (Mistakes were made, versus I made a mistake). You failed to pay your electric bill.
  - sriram_malhar 8y ago
    My anger isn't misdirected. It is directed exactly at this sentiment of yours: "The words are still there". It is the same whether I came up with a new magic trick, or a song, or a film. Don't fucking steal it because you have this wonderful tool called "copy" that "destroys class barriers". There is plenty of stuff on the internet (mine included) that people have chosen to put up for free; go use those. Or wait 10 years. The words will still be there, and you can get it much cheaper. There was a lot of energy put behind those words, and I expect to get paid a modest sum for it. The means of knowledge transmission aren't free, just as you discovered that while a river wants to be free, the mechanism of converting it to useful energy and transmitting it to you isn't free.
snpriyanshu 8y ago
I would recommend you to shop from used book stores like thriftbooks.com. I got the knuth's books for like $30(3 volumes) and many more.
deanmen 8y ago
According to WorldCat Library search it's not even in libraries other than Library of Congress and "College of Western Idaho". So it is probably not popular enough to be uploaded to a pirate site either. In fact it just came out on 18 September, so in order for a copy to be uploaded anywhere someone would have had to buy it and then immediately scan it, or the authors would have to put a draft copy on their website.
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adamnemecek 8y ago

It came out today.

Hates_ 8y ago

Seems like libgen is blocked in the UK. I get redirected to http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk/ http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk/

jacoblambda 8y ago
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/ http://gen.lib.rus.ec/ seems to work fine

hackermailman 8y ago

The knowledge is freely available, here's Dan Licata giving an introduction to Dependent Types for functional programmers https://youtu.be/LXvP1A97oAM https://youtu.be/LXvP1A97oAM Even though watching that, I probably think I understand Dependent Types then I'll read the Little Typer and discover my intuition was wrong like when I read the Seasoned Schemer and thought I already knew everything there was to know about the concept of higher order functions.

bordercases 8y ago

It'll happen.

anothergoogler 8y ago

The book didn't materialize from thin air, the authors are even named on its cover.

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mjfl 8y ago

It took a lot of work for the author to draft this. Would it kill you to compensate them for it?

xevb3k 8y ago

I feel like there’s so much to say about this comment, that I don’t even know where to start. So firstly I agree, $40 seems like a lot. I personally couldn’t justify it at the moment. Particularly when the reproduction cost is nearly zero. But $40 also doesn’t seem like a lot to pay for a book that will probably not sell more than a few thousand copies. Most likely revenue generated won’t fully cover the time and effort required to create such a book. But... the author is also a professor at MIT. I feel like if this work wasn’t somewhat publicly funded, it really should have been. In the end, I’m left morally confused. But it feels like something is wrong in the world when a book like this is available only to a select few, when for the same capital outlay it could be available to everybody.

billsix 8y ago
> In the end, I’m left morally confused. But it feels like something is wrong in the world when a book like this is available only to a select few, when for the same capital outlay it could be available to everybody. Only to a select few? For $40? The book costs less than most console video games.
- sillysaurus3 8y ago
  Another way of phrasing that: The book costs as much as work that took dozens of people years to make. Also if you were to somehow poll everyone reading this and ask "Did you buy this book?" you'd get some number, x. But if the book were priced at $5, then $5y would be much greater than $40x. I bought a bamboo fineline pencil for $50 the other day. It's a tool that will serve me for at least a year. It's unclear whether this book would. I want work like this to exist, and for the author to be rewarded for it. But ultimately, in an era when words are infinitely and instantaneously copyable, the economic value of words seems to drop. Given the choice between stealing knowledge and not stealing knowledge, when you wouldn't have paid for it anyway, where's the harm?
  - billsix 8y ago
    > Given the choice between stealing knowledge and not stealing knowledge, when you wouldn't have paid for it anyway, where's the harm? As a working adult, time spent reading a book is both more limited and more valuable than $40. If you wouldn't have bought it anyways, why is it worth your time stealing and reading it? Although it was an unpopular opinion at the time, I agree with Metallica's outspoken moral opposition to Napster circa 2000.

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mi_lk 8y ago

Sad because it's not available for free? What is this attitude? At least local libraries actually buy the book to support the authors.

sriram_malhar 8y ago

As an author of a book on which I worked incredibly hard, FUCK you. If you want it so bad, buy it. Or wait a few years, buy it used. Or borrow it from a library. Don't fucking steal it. Carpenters and other craftspeople who earn far less than the denizens of Hacker News buy whatever they need to further their business. They don't steal others' tools.

sillysaurus3 8y ago
I'd be happy to debate, if you're interested. But in the meantime it appears that the anger is misplaced; direct it at the fact that we have this wonderful tool that destroys class barriers and makes knowledge free to all. You act as if I have $40. Would it surprise you to learn my power was cut off within the last few months? Another point: "Stealing" implies something was lost. The words are still there, even if I have copied them. The game industry and the iPhone app store have proven that when you price something closer to $1, it will generate exponentially more revenue than $40.
- billsix 8y ago
  > Would it surprise you to learn my power was cut off Passive verbs are weak (Mistakes were made, versus I made a mistake). You failed to pay your electric bill.
- sriram_malhar 8y ago
  My anger isn't misdirected. It is directed exactly at this sentiment of yours: "The words are still there". It is the same whether I came up with a new magic trick, or a song, or a film. Don't fucking steal it because you have this wonderful tool called "copy" that "destroys class barriers". There is plenty of stuff on the internet (mine included) that people have chosen to put up for free; go use those. Or wait 10 years. The words will still be there, and you can get it much cheaper. There was a lot of energy put behind those words, and I expect to get paid a modest sum for it. The means of knowledge transmission aren't free, just as you discovered that while a river wants to be free, the mechanism of converting it to useful energy and transmitting it to you isn't free.

snpriyanshu 8y ago

I would recommend you to shop from used book stores like thriftbooks.com. I got the knuth's books for like $30(3 volumes) and many more.

deanmen 8y ago

According to WorldCat Library search it's not even in libraries other than Library of Congress and "College of Western Idaho". So it is probably not popular enough to be uploaded to a pirate site either. In fact it just came out on 18 September, so in order for a copy to be uploaded anywhere someone would have had to buy it and then immediately scan it, or the authors would have to put a draft copy on their website.

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