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>Motorola’s use of a single QFUSE that must be blown to unlock the device, permanently voiding the warranty. If this isn't illegal (the warranty part), it shou

>Motorola’s use of a single QFUSE that must be blown to unlock the device, permanently voiding the warranty. If this isn't illegal (the warranty part), it should be.

drdaeman 8y ago
Not that simple. Depends on what warranty is on. Hardware warranty shouldn't be generally affected, unless it's about parts that can fail because of software malfunction - e.g. when failsafes are defined in user-overridable software. It is fair that a hardware vendor shouldn't be responsible for user e.g. overclocking something. Software warranty should be voided. Although I can't remember when it was the last time I saw a warranty for software, explicit or implied. Rather, I believe there's an explicit dismissal of any warranties in every single licensing agreement out there.
- taneq 8y ago
  My phone's screen sometimes wouldn't come back on after a phone call. The sound quality transmitted was sometimes terrible. Both of those things present as hardware problems (prox sensor, microphone) but turned out to be software related. How would you prove that a hardware problem's not actually software? As an aside, LineageOS seems to have been getting gradually more buggy on my Nexus 5X. 15.1 has the two issues above, plus Bluetooth music streaming is broken and crashes the music player. I reverted to an old 14.1 ROM and everything works perfectly.
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    > As an aside, LineageOS seems to have been getting gradually more buggy on my Nexus 5X. 15.1 has the two issues above, plus Bluetooth music streaming is broken and crashes the music player. I have none of those problems with 15.1 on my nexus 5x, but I also make it a point to install the latest weekly updates and the latest vendor partition blob.
    - taneq 8y ago
      Maybe I set it up wrong, then? My basic install flow: - Get latest nightly build from lineageos.org - Get matching factory image from Google and extract vendor and radio images from it - Install TWRP - Do a full wipe of the phone - Install LineageOS, vendor image and radio image Then when an OTA update came out, I'd install it and update the vendor image manually if it complained. What'd I miss?
      - craftyguy 8y ago
        That seems about right, and similar to what I do. Maybe it's a hardware issue? I also don't use the default music app for streaming music over bluetooth, so it could be an issue with that..
        taneq 8y ago
        Yeah, I assumed it was hardware (there's a known issue with some 5Xes with poor mic quality) but I've gone back to 14.1 and all is fixed, so meh. The only thing I really miss is the new power saving features and I can live with charging every two days instead of every three days.
        craftyguy 8y ago
        > I can live with charging every two days instead of every three days. Yea it's incredible how long the battery lasts on this device, compared to previous nexus devices (though I never owned a nexus 5..) I've only ever run lineageos on this thing and regularly get multiple days on a charge with light/moderate usage. I once took it on a 8 day backpacking trip where it was powered on but in airplane mode (to serve as camera and backup map), got out of the wilderness with something like 40% battery left. IMHO that really shows how much negative impact on performance google's shit has on a mobile device when it can last that long without it.
mjones72 8y ago
It is illegal.
- gehsty 8y ago
  Yep and if the teacher doesn’t arrive in 10 minutes you can legally leave the class room. Come on. If you modify the device to work in a way it wasn’t intended (eg overclocked) you have clearly voided the warranty. This is what this is there to detect.
  - mjones72 8y ago
    https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html You are moving the goalposts, because we were talking about "changing the ROM", not about "changing the ROM and then doing something that will fuck the hardware up"
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      The point is that changing the ROM allows the user to do something that will "fuck the hardware". Presumably the stock ROM doesn't allow overclocking.
      - mjones72 8y ago
        Even if changing the ROM allows me to break the hardware, just by changing the ROM I don't lose my right to have the mobile repaired under free warranty. The manufacturer has to prove I managed to break the hardware only because I changed the ROM. By the way, if you fuck up the CPU by overclocking it I guarantee they won't notice it because they will just throw the entire motherboard away. The subcontracted company that fixes your mobile (it's almost never the manufacturer) won't spend their time doing some CSI on it.
    - 1023bytes 8y ago
      Yep, in the EU it's definitely illegal.
TheChaplain 8y ago
I believe Samsung have/had something similar, though it doesn't blow on unlocking but only if you insert an unsigned kernel.
- lozaning 8y ago
  It's also my understanding the rooting a samsung phone will forever disable samsung pay from working on it ever again.
diaz 8y ago
Haven't installed a rom on my sony xperia yet because it explicitly said in a few places that doing that voids the warranty. I still have around 1 year and half of waiting until mandatory warranty ends so I can feel ol with doing it.

>Motorola’s use of a single QFUSE that must be blown to unlock the device, permanently voiding the warranty. If this isn't illegal (the warranty part), it should be.

drdaeman 8y ago

Not that simple. Depends on what warranty is on. Hardware warranty shouldn't be generally affected, unless it's about parts that can fail because of software malfunction - e.g. when failsafes are defined in user-overridable software. It is fair that a hardware vendor shouldn't be responsible for user e.g. overclocking something. Software warranty should be voided. Although I can't remember when it was the last time I saw a warranty for software, explicit or implied. Rather, I believe there's an explicit dismissal of any warranties in every single licensing agreement out there.

taneq 8y ago
My phone's screen sometimes wouldn't come back on after a phone call. The sound quality transmitted was sometimes terrible. Both of those things present as hardware problems (prox sensor, microphone) but turned out to be software related. How would you prove that a hardware problem's not actually software? As an aside, LineageOS seems to have been getting gradually more buggy on my Nexus 5X. 15.1 has the two issues above, plus Bluetooth music streaming is broken and crashes the music player. I reverted to an old 14.1 ROM and everything works perfectly.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  > As an aside, LineageOS seems to have been getting gradually more buggy on my Nexus 5X. 15.1 has the two issues above, plus Bluetooth music streaming is broken and crashes the music player. I have none of those problems with 15.1 on my nexus 5x, but I also make it a point to install the latest weekly updates and the latest vendor partition blob.
  - taneq 8y ago
    Maybe I set it up wrong, then? My basic install flow: - Get latest nightly build from lineageos.org - Get matching factory image from Google and extract vendor and radio images from it - Install TWRP - Do a full wipe of the phone - Install LineageOS, vendor image and radio image Then when an OTA update came out, I'd install it and update the vendor image manually if it complained. What'd I miss?
    - craftyguy 8y ago
      That seems about right, and similar to what I do. Maybe it's a hardware issue? I also don't use the default music app for streaming music over bluetooth, so it could be an issue with that..
      - taneq 8y ago
        Yeah, I assumed it was hardware (there's a known issue with some 5Xes with poor mic quality) but I've gone back to 14.1 and all is fixed, so meh. The only thing I really miss is the new power saving features and I can live with charging every two days instead of every three days.
        craftyguy 8y ago
        > I can live with charging every two days instead of every three days. Yea it's incredible how long the battery lasts on this device, compared to previous nexus devices (though I never owned a nexus 5..) I've only ever run lineageos on this thing and regularly get multiple days on a charge with light/moderate usage. I once took it on a 8 day backpacking trip where it was powered on but in airplane mode (to serve as camera and backup map), got out of the wilderness with something like 40% battery left. IMHO that really shows how much negative impact on performance google's shit has on a mobile device when it can last that long without it.

mjones72 8y ago

It is illegal.

gehsty 8y ago
Yep and if the teacher doesn’t arrive in 10 minutes you can legally leave the class room. Come on. If you modify the device to work in a way it wasn’t intended (eg overclocked) you have clearly voided the warranty. This is what this is there to detect.
- mjones72 8y ago
  https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html You are moving the goalposts, because we were talking about "changing the ROM", not about "changing the ROM and then doing something that will fuck the hardware up"
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    The point is that changing the ROM allows the user to do something that will "fuck the hardware". Presumably the stock ROM doesn't allow overclocking.
    - mjones72 8y ago
      Even if changing the ROM allows me to break the hardware, just by changing the ROM I don't lose my right to have the mobile repaired under free warranty. The manufacturer has to prove I managed to break the hardware only because I changed the ROM. By the way, if you fuck up the CPU by overclocking it I guarantee they won't notice it because they will just throw the entire motherboard away. The subcontracted company that fixes your mobile (it's almost never the manufacturer) won't spend their time doing some CSI on it.
  - 1023bytes 8y ago
    Yep, in the EU it's definitely illegal.

TheChaplain 8y ago

I believe Samsung have/had something similar, though it doesn't blow on unlocking but only if you insert an unsigned kernel.

lozaning 8y ago
It's also my understanding the rooting a samsung phone will forever disable samsung pay from working on it ever again.

diaz 8y ago

Haven't installed a rom on my sony xperia yet because it explicitly said in a few places that doing that voids the warranty. I still have around 1 year and half of waiting until mandatory warranty ends so I can feel ol with doing it.