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Check out this amazing plan from Rockwell produced in the 80s to see what that might have looked like [1]. I have a print out of it I like to look at once in a

Check out this amazing plan from Rockwell produced in the 80s to see what that might have looked like [1]. I have a print out of it I like to look at once in a while to remind me what could have been possible if we had different priorities. [1] http://i.imgur.com/ntBHE.png http://i.imgur.com/ntBHE.png

bloopernova 8y ago
WOW That's an astonishing presentation of data/intent. I will have to see if I can find that as a vector and/or get a large format print. That's beautiful! EDIT: Here's a vector! https://cdn.makezine.com/uploads/2013/07/integratedspaceplan2.pdf https://cdn.makezine.com/uploads/2013/07/integratedspaceplan... (Found via Google, searching using "The Rockwell International Integrated Space Plan")
- chris_mc 8y ago
  I'm so depressed that humans won't ever achieve this. We'll fight and continue to hedonistically chase profit until we destroy ourselves.
  - adventured 8y ago
    You've got that exactly backwards. The pursuit of profit, which is the pursuit of greater productivity, is what makes it possible to pay ever increasing amounts of taxes, which provides for a radical improvement in the welfare of people on the planet. Just ask China. They went from being an anti-profit, anti-market country of near absolute poverty, to a heavily for-profit economy, lifting nearly a billion people out of poverty, and providing for an extraordinary base of increasing savings derived from profit (income beyond expenses). So much for destroying us, humanity has never been better off on average than it is today. Profit is a store of prior productive action that enables you to make future investments. To curse that is absurdity defined. It's the only reason we're all alive, it's a base requirement of all civilization (unless you like the odds of survival when you're living moment to moment, betting on never falling off the highwire).
    - soperj 8y ago
      So... how's the planet doing with all that?
    - chris_mc 8y ago
      >They went from being an anti-profit, anti-market country of near absolute poverty There's a lot more history to China than 1980-now. What I see every day on HN (and elsewhere) are new startups which are simply rent-seeking enterprises, and I don't see how that helps us.
shroom 8y ago
Thanks for posting this! Looks very cool never seen it before. I will follow your print out. It will make a nice poster! :)
bencollier49 8y ago
That's remarkable. Looking at some of the marker points (e.g. a self-sustaining martian colony by 2035), it feels like Elon Musk is attempting to singlehandedly bring us back on track.

bloopernova 8y ago

WOW That's an astonishing presentation of data/intent. I will have to see if I can find that as a vector and/or get a large format print. That's beautiful! EDIT: Here's a vector! https://cdn.makezine.com/uploads/2013/07/integratedspaceplan2.pdf https://cdn.makezine.com/uploads/2013/07/integratedspaceplan... (Found via Google, searching using "The Rockwell International Integrated Space Plan")

chris_mc 8y ago
I'm so depressed that humans won't ever achieve this. We'll fight and continue to hedonistically chase profit until we destroy ourselves.
- adventured 8y ago
  You've got that exactly backwards. The pursuit of profit, which is the pursuit of greater productivity, is what makes it possible to pay ever increasing amounts of taxes, which provides for a radical improvement in the welfare of people on the planet. Just ask China. They went from being an anti-profit, anti-market country of near absolute poverty, to a heavily for-profit economy, lifting nearly a billion people out of poverty, and providing for an extraordinary base of increasing savings derived from profit (income beyond expenses). So much for destroying us, humanity has never been better off on average than it is today. Profit is a store of prior productive action that enables you to make future investments. To curse that is absurdity defined. It's the only reason we're all alive, it's a base requirement of all civilization (unless you like the odds of survival when you're living moment to moment, betting on never falling off the highwire).
  - soperj 8y ago
    So... how's the planet doing with all that?
  - chris_mc 8y ago
    >They went from being an anti-profit, anti-market country of near absolute poverty There's a lot more history to China than 1980-now. What I see every day on HN (and elsewhere) are new startups which are simply rent-seeking enterprises, and I don't see how that helps us.

shroom 8y ago

Thanks for posting this! Looks very cool never seen it before. I will follow your print out. It will make a nice poster! :)

bencollier49 8y ago

That's remarkable. Looking at some of the marker points (e.g. a self-sustaining martian colony by 2035), it feels like Elon Musk is attempting to singlehandedly bring us back on track.