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> After a long life of use, ensure that they are recycled properly. Anyone ever read about Apple's must-shred agreement[0] with recyclers? Is that what "proper

by hjek 8y ago

> After a long life of use, ensure that they are recycled properly. Anyone ever read about Apple's must-shred agreement[0] with recyclers? Is that what "properly" refers to here? > Ensure that Apple products last as long as possible. Anyone read about Apple's recent lawsuit[1] for planned obsolescence in iPhones? [0]: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recycling-iphones-macbooks https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recy... [1]: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/01/09/targeting-apple-designing-slow-down-iphones-small-french-consumer-group-punches https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/01/09/targeting-apple...

ashleyn 8y ago
The original iPad also had OS updates discontinued incredibly quickly.
- sitkack 8y ago
  When Apple no longer supports a device, the boot loafers should be unlocked so they can be reflagged. This should be a requirement for all hardware.
  - vbezhenar 8y ago
    At least let me roll back to old software version. I have 4S which is unusable and locked on iOS 9. It's not like it's secure today, so just let me get back to iOS 6 and have at least fast phone.
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      This opens the door to rolling back devices once you've waited for them to become obsolete and then reading their contents, though.
  - DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
    Your post has a delightful typo.
- donkeyd 8y ago
  The title of the article is: > Apple now strives to [...] It's not really fair to drag in an 8 year old product.
- scarface74 8y ago
  And you can still download and run most of the popular streaming apps and Apple’s apps.
mrpopo 8y ago
Thanks for the context. I am extremely doubtful that a company like Apple is going to commit to durability, parts reuse and recycling. Repairability score of iPhones are not so bad, but the latest MacBooks are unrepairable.
- volkl48 8y ago
  They can be repaired in the sense that everything in them can be replaced. However they've integrated a lot of components so a lot of things that would traditionally be able to be replaced individually can't be. You basically have 3 major components in the current Macbook Pro line: - Logic board - MB/CPU/SSD/RAM - Top Case - Keyboard/Trackpad/Battery/upper shell - Display Then you have minor miscellaneous parts like fans, heatsink, bottom case and wi-fi antenna/vent module. Surprisingly, the USB-C ports are actually a separate replaceable component, and I believe the 2018s make the headphone jack one as well.
  - einr 8y ago
    I believe the 2018s make the headphone jack one as well. That's cool, that'll make it easy for them to remove it in 2019 and claim there wasn't enough space for it.
  - mrpopo 8y ago
    Sadly, what you described does indeed fall far below the "repairable" threshold for me. That being said, I will remember to stop criticizing Apple on HN from now on.
matthewmacleod 8y ago
Anyone read about Apple's recent lawsuit[1] for planned obsolescence in iPhones? Please do not misrepresent this situation. It's a problem, but it's incredibly obvious that this is not "planned obsolescence" and it's dishonest to claim so.
kgermino 8y ago
[1] badly misrepresents what happened. Throttling peak performance when the battery can’t deliver enough power for it helps people use the phone longer. It’s almost the opposite of planned obsolescence. The alternative is people’s phone shuts down randomly, which is definitely more likely to push them into replacing it. It also is fixed after the battery is replaced. Unless you mean that the battery gettin old is planned obsolescence. But that’s not a great arguement either. Batteries are a wear item, and will need to be replaced if you want to use the device more than a couple years.
- mrpopo 8y ago
  Throttling performance pushes people into replacing their phone just as much as a worn battery. Probably even more so, since a phone shutting down rapidly and randomly is much more symptomatic of a worn battery, and might entice people to replace the battery instead of the entire phone. A battery getting old is not planned obsolescence. A hard-to-replace battery is. Apple is a pioneer in that area.
  - basch 8y ago
    they prevented spontaneous reboots. if you dont think apple was right, and the tech press was engaged in yellow journalism, you are wrong. apple was mitigating a very specific hardware failure.
    - asendra 8y ago
      Yes and no. the solution to the problem was the correct one, they just forgot one important detail. TELL THE USER! As a result, plenty of people, (including myself) noticing their two year phone starting to slow down quite a bit, decided to upgrade to the new and shiny model, instead of just replacing the battery, because who would have known that was the problem?!
      - ceejayoz 8y ago
        Yes, there should've been a "your battery has degraded" alert with information on implications and how to fix it. Apple was wrong to do it silently and without warning. They did issue a mea culpa and free replacement coverage in response to that criticism, but it took a while.

by hjek 8y ago

ashleyn 8y ago

The original iPad also had OS updates discontinued incredibly quickly.

sitkack 8y ago
When Apple no longer supports a device, the boot loafers should be unlocked so they can be reflagged. This should be a requirement for all hardware.
- vbezhenar 8y ago
  At least let me roll back to old software version. I have 4S which is unusable and locked on iOS 9. It's not like it's secure today, so just let me get back to iOS 6 and have at least fast phone.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    This opens the door to rolling back devices once you've waited for them to become obsolete and then reading their contents, though.
- DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
  Your post has a delightful typo.
donkeyd 8y ago
The title of the article is: > Apple now strives to [...] It's not really fair to drag in an 8 year old product.
scarface74 8y ago
And you can still download and run most of the popular streaming apps and Apple’s apps.

mrpopo 8y ago

Thanks for the context. I am extremely doubtful that a company like Apple is going to commit to durability, parts reuse and recycling. Repairability score of iPhones are not so bad, but the latest MacBooks are unrepairable.

volkl48 8y ago
They can be repaired in the sense that everything in them can be replaced. However they've integrated a lot of components so a lot of things that would traditionally be able to be replaced individually can't be. You basically have 3 major components in the current Macbook Pro line: - Logic board - MB/CPU/SSD/RAM - Top Case - Keyboard/Trackpad/Battery/upper shell - Display Then you have minor miscellaneous parts like fans, heatsink, bottom case and wi-fi antenna/vent module. Surprisingly, the USB-C ports are actually a separate replaceable component, and I believe the 2018s make the headphone jack one as well.
- einr 8y ago
  I believe the 2018s make the headphone jack one as well. That's cool, that'll make it easy for them to remove it in 2019 and claim there wasn't enough space for it.
- mrpopo 8y ago
  Sadly, what you described does indeed fall far below the "repairable" threshold for me. That being said, I will remember to stop criticizing Apple on HN from now on.

matthewmacleod 8y ago

Anyone read about Apple's recent lawsuit[1] for planned obsolescence in iPhones? Please do not misrepresent this situation. It's a problem, but it's incredibly obvious that this is not "planned obsolescence" and it's dishonest to claim so.

kgermino 8y ago

[1] badly misrepresents what happened. Throttling peak performance when the battery can’t deliver enough power for it helps people use the phone longer. It’s almost the opposite of planned obsolescence. The alternative is people’s phone shuts down randomly, which is definitely more likely to push them into replacing it. It also is fixed after the battery is replaced. Unless you mean that the battery gettin old is planned obsolescence. But that’s not a great arguement either. Batteries are a wear item, and will need to be replaced if you want to use the device more than a couple years.

mrpopo 8y ago
Throttling performance pushes people into replacing their phone just as much as a worn battery. Probably even more so, since a phone shutting down rapidly and randomly is much more symptomatic of a worn battery, and might entice people to replace the battery instead of the entire phone. A battery getting old is not planned obsolescence. A hard-to-replace battery is. Apple is a pioneer in that area.
- basch 8y ago
  they prevented spontaneous reboots. if you dont think apple was right, and the tech press was engaged in yellow journalism, you are wrong. apple was mitigating a very specific hardware failure.
  - asendra 8y ago
    Yes and no. the solution to the problem was the correct one, they just forgot one important detail. TELL THE USER! As a result, plenty of people, (including myself) noticing their two year phone starting to slow down quite a bit, decided to upgrade to the new and shiny model, instead of just replacing the battery, because who would have known that was the problem?!
    - ceejayoz 8y ago
      Yes, there should've been a "your battery has degraded" alert with information on implications and how to fix it. Apple was wrong to do it silently and without warning. They did issue a mea culpa and free replacement coverage in response to that criticism, but it took a while.