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You seem to misunderstand my point. I get that wires are better for serious musicians. I doubt that the number of people depending on their iPhones for low lat

You seem to misunderstand my point. I get that wires are better for serious musicians. I doubt that the number of people depending on their iPhones for low latency audio work is dwarfed by the number of people doing latency insensitive things like listening to podcasts or iTunes. iPhones are primarily consumer products, so catering to consumer and not professional needs first makes sense. Heck, the stuff you mentioned appears to be purpose built audio equipment. How would that be affected by the iPhone ditching the headphone jack?

snovv_crash 8y ago
The difference is that now you won't see DJs in front of crowds using Apple products. Apple has decided to trade measurable cost-cutting for non-measurable brand prestige, and in the next few years I expect Microsoft to launch a new mobile/desktop hybrid with an ad about how Apple is what your grandparents use, and cool young trendy people use Windows.
- 1123581321 8y ago
  That wouldn’t be a new move for Microsoft. They have found some success with Surface and they’re expanding the line. However, they are making similar trade-offs to Apple where able. They may release a new, popular product, but it will just solidify the trends that people in this thread are complaining about.
- guitarbill 8y ago
  > The difference is that now you won't see DJs in front of crowds using Apple products. OK, I'll call BS. iPhones and iPads are barely used for live performances. On the Macbook side, other than USB-A, what have they gotten rid of that DJs truly need for performances? We were using USB MIDI interfaces and USB audio interfaces long before the optical audio out went away. Meanwhile I know a few musicians who haven't touched a Microsoft OS in over 10 years (!). Yeah, Microsoft finally introduced an Audio API in Vista to take on CoreAudio, but that isn't new. Does anybody like Windows 10 given the choice? If anything, I'd expect Microsoft's infamous Update strategy to make anything Windows 10 a non-option for live gigs. About the only argument I can think of is that musicians with less budget might lean more towards a Windows-based DAW.
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Thanks for downvoting and then ignoring my point. I’ll repeat since you seem to have reading issues: how many serious musicians were depending on iPhones for live production instead of laptops or purpose built hardware?
  - dang 8y ago
    Can you please stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? We eventually ban accounts that won't stop doing this, and I don't want to ban you, so would appreciate it if you'd post thoughtfully from now on. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - village-idiot 8y ago
      Calling out someone totally ignoring the point of a post is uncivil? I personally think that pulling out a strawman is probably more uncivil than calling it out, but whatever you say.
      - dang 8y ago
        You made a personal attack. If you do it again we will ban you. Please keep the online calling-out/shaming culture well away from this site as well. That's a euphemism for people attacking each other, and we don't want that here.

snovv_crash 8y ago

The difference is that now you won't see DJs in front of crowds using Apple products. Apple has decided to trade measurable cost-cutting for non-measurable brand prestige, and in the next few years I expect Microsoft to launch a new mobile/desktop hybrid with an ad about how Apple is what your grandparents use, and cool young trendy people use Windows.

1123581321 8y ago
That wouldn’t be a new move for Microsoft. They have found some success with Surface and they’re expanding the line. However, they are making similar trade-offs to Apple where able. They may release a new, popular product, but it will just solidify the trends that people in this thread are complaining about.
guitarbill 8y ago
> The difference is that now you won't see DJs in front of crowds using Apple products. OK, I'll call BS. iPhones and iPads are barely used for live performances. On the Macbook side, other than USB-A, what have they gotten rid of that DJs truly need for performances? We were using USB MIDI interfaces and USB audio interfaces long before the optical audio out went away. Meanwhile I know a few musicians who haven't touched a Microsoft OS in over 10 years (!). Yeah, Microsoft finally introduced an Audio API in Vista to take on CoreAudio, but that isn't new. Does anybody like Windows 10 given the choice? If anything, I'd expect Microsoft's infamous Update strategy to make anything Windows 10 a non-option for live gigs. About the only argument I can think of is that musicians with less budget might lean more towards a Windows-based DAW.
village-idiot 8y ago
Thanks for downvoting and then ignoring my point. I’ll repeat since you seem to have reading issues: how many serious musicians were depending on iPhones for live production instead of laptops or purpose built hardware?
- dang 8y ago
  Can you please stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? We eventually ban accounts that won't stop doing this, and I don't want to ban you, so would appreciate it if you'd post thoughtfully from now on. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    Calling out someone totally ignoring the point of a post is uncivil? I personally think that pulling out a strawman is probably more uncivil than calling it out, but whatever you say.
    - dang 8y ago
      You made a personal attack. If you do it again we will ban you. Please keep the online calling-out/shaming culture well away from this site as well. That's a euphemism for people attacking each other, and we don't want that here.