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Same here. Whenever I get caught up in some religious phone OS war I say I chose the platform I hate the least. I wish I could love my iPhone, but there are so

by emsy 8y ago

Same here. Whenever I get caught up in some religious phone OS war I say I chose the platform I hate the least. I wish I could love my iPhone, but there are so many things wrong with it which could easily be solved without compromising anything product wise.

bayindirh 8y ago
I'm asking this as a thought experiment, nothing personal. What if, fixing things the way you like breaks these features for someone else?
- glogla 8y ago
  What would having headphone jack break?
  - arihant 8y ago
    Two things: 1. There's really no space for it, if you look at teardowns. So something took its place. 2. It does give better water resistance. Google the water resistance tests between iPhones and others. The difference is night and day in real world performance.
    - harshalizee 8y ago
      1. No. Teardowns have shown nothing of that sort. It's a marketing decision to push people to buy $170 airpods. In fact, there's a very popular tech blogger's video where he successfully adds in a headphone jack[1] to his iPhone 8. 2. No. Samsung phones are far more water resistant than iPhones are with a jack on it. I would love to see your links to said research. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA
      - dao- 8y ago
        Re: water resistance – Sony is pretty good there too, but last time I plunged my phone, the headphone jack itself was acting up until it had dried out. I guess there's no way around that. Edit: Oh, and when I broke my older model with saltwater, they replaced it. Twice.
      - matwood 8y ago
        > It's a marketing decision to push people to buy $170 airpods. Earbuds that work with the iPhone come in the box (and prior to the just announced models even an adapter was included). I'm not sure how lack of a jack pushes someone to buy AirPods. Maybe it makes them think about buying bluetooth headphones over wired if they were already thinking about third party headphones? Maybe. Also while you may disagree about the 'barometric vent', it was put in the space that the headphone jack would have taken. As pictured above, you can see a piece of plastic sits behind the ingress protection (waterproofing!), right where the headphone jack would have been. And (update!) according to Apple it's a "barometric vent." Apparently adding all the waterproofing to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus meant that it was more of a sealed box, and so to be able to have an accurate and working barometer, Apple used that space. The barometer is the thing that allows a phone to measure altitude, and Apple points out that on the iPhone 7 it can measure even minor changes like climbing a flight of stairs. https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/16/12941040/iphone-7-teardown-plastic-behind-where-headphone-jack-used-to-be https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/16/12941040/iphone-7-teardow...
        freeone3000 8y ago
        I would rather have a headphone jack than a barometer.
        matwood 8y ago
        You may disagree how the space was used, but I wanted to point out that it was in fact used. The poster I responded to said tear downs showed it not used. Even the video given as evidence showed the guy taking out the vent as the first step.
        reaperducer 8y ago
        Wires are so last century. Bluetooth headphones have been available for at least 20 years. (I had a pair for my SonyEricsson m600c, and I'm not an early adopter.) Knowing my altitude is something I need on at least a weekly basis. I'm OK with losing a port I haven't used in a couple of decades.
      - matt-attack 8y ago
        > It's a marketing decision to push people to buy $170 airpods FWIW, my lack of headphone jack had nothing to do with me buying $170 airpods. The product sells itself. It literally felt like something out of the future when it launched. Opening and closing the lid makes me happy on a daily basis. I can't think of a better use for that $170. It's a product that is pure joy to use, and completely eliminates one of the biggest annoyance factor in my daily life: tangled headphones, and worse, that feeling on your ears when you accidentally tug earbuds that are in your ear. So frustrating!
      - briandear 8y ago
        They cost $160, but you can use the included headphones without buying anything.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        No. Teardowns have shown nothing of that sort. It's a marketing decision to push people to buy $170 airpods. In fact, there's a very popular tech blogger's video where he successfully adds in a headphone jack[1] to his iPhone 8. How are people being "pushed" to buy Airpods when they can use any Bluetooth headphone, the headphones that come bundled with the phone, or use their own headphones with a $9.99 adapter that they have included up until yesterday?
        AndriyKunitsyn 8y ago
        Simple. There are multiple codecs in Bluetooth headphones, the most used one is proprietary aptX from Qualcomm. Apple has no problems licensing it for Macbooks and iMacs, but for iPhones they chose to reject Qualcomm, do their thing, and use AAC codec, which is supported only by small fraction of wireless headphones. https://darko.audio/2017/12/how-to-enable-aptx-hd-bluetooth-audio-on-your-iphone-ipad/ https://darko.audio/2017/12/how-to-enable-aptx-hd-bluetooth-... So, if your headphones don't support AAC, they will (most likely) fallback to SBC encoding with a subpar sound quality. Don't want a subpar sound quality? Buy Airpods. Or Beats. Or some other overpriced thing that understands AAC. There was some 100 year-old industry standard regarding sound transmission, but apparently it's "obsolete" now, because Apple said so. And bundled headphones don't sound too good. The removal of headphone jack was purely a political decision to spite Qualcomm and screwing over Apple's customers.
        scarface74 8y ago
        So now it’s a bad thing that Apple chose to support an industry standard (AAC) instead of a proprietary Qualcomm only protocol? But if you aren’t satisfied with the Apple wired headphones, up until the 12th Apple bundle an adapter, you could choose any wired headphones you wanted. After the 12” it would be $9.99. It’s still not forcing you to buy AirPods. As far as Bluetooth, there are other non Apple/Beats Bluetooth AAC headphones. Nothing forcing anyone to buy them from Apple.
    - dstryr 8y ago
      >> 1. There's really no space for it, if you look at teardowns. So something took its place. This guy was able to add the headphone jack back into an iPhone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA). The argument that there is really no space just isn't true.
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        …by ruining the Taptic Engine, if I recall correctly, or by spending thousands of dollars on getting this to work. It's not like Apple just left a hole in that spot out of spite.
        dpkonofa 8y ago
        People who have some kind of weird hate for Apple always assume that everything Apple does is out of spite.
        saagarjha 8y ago
        Apple very rarely does things out of spite. And usually when that happens, it's a mistake rather than a conscious, malicious decision.
      - dpkonofa 8y ago
        By breaking the seals that make the phone waterproof, removing a housing component, and breaking the Taptic Engine. He did nothing of the sort.
    - noelsusman 8y ago
      The S9 has a higher waterproof rating than the iPhone X.
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- close04 8y ago
  That's why it's great if these thugs come with an [ON|OFF] switch. Let everyone decide what they use but start with secure as default.
- emsy 8y ago
  It’s most often not features I want change but features I want to have in the first place: Proper PWAs, NFC, wireless charging (things Android has for an while now). Self signed apps.
aeontech 8y ago
Can you give some examples? Things being broken in life is usually one or more of: - lack of time to implement (this would be great but we have three people on a team, and five features to deliver...) - lack of people who care enough and have the resources to fix it (this would be great, but manager has other priorities that are more important at the moment) - conscious choice as expression of philosophy or style (like flat UI) - conscious technical trade off (like on-device photo analysis) What are some of the things you think are wrong and would be easy to solve? Openradar links would be useful too :)
- _jal 8y ago
  So, my single biggest daily aggravation: I turn off bluetooth/wifi frequently.[1] There is no way to make the &%*#ing thing stop whining about lack of wifi - it literally waits until I'm trying to do something else to throw up a shitty dialog trying to annoy me into turning it on. I turn connectivity off for a reason, and no, Apple does not know better in this instance. It is incredibly user-hostile and irritating, and I hope the engineer that wrote that code gets pink eye[2]. [1] I know, I'm a weirdo. Trying to explain how I'm Doing It Wrong will lead me to ignore you. [2] I kid. It is really annoying, though.
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  - saagarjha 8y ago
    Presumably, you're trying to do something that requires a network connection when it prompts you? If that's not a case the behavior is likely a bug.
  - jaegerpicker 8y ago
    I don't think you are doing it wrong but in 90% of the cases that's on the app developer. The OS usually doesn't ask for wifi randomly but many apps do. They check for connectivity and if wifi isn't available they prompt the user. It's not hard code to write but it shouldn't be used often. I'm actually writing similar code right now but for a pretty good reason, I'm working a feature that might use the presence of a wifi network to indicate proximity to an IoT device.

by emsy 8y ago

bayindirh 8y ago

I'm asking this as a thought experiment, nothing personal. What if, fixing things the way you like breaks these features for someone else?

glogla 8y ago
What would having headphone jack break?
- arihant 8y ago
  Two things: 1. There's really no space for it, if you look at teardowns. So something took its place. 2. It does give better water resistance. Google the water resistance tests between iPhones and others. The difference is night and day in real world performance.
  - harshalizee 8y ago
    1. No. Teardowns have shown nothing of that sort. It's a marketing decision to push people to buy $170 airpods. In fact, there's a very popular tech blogger's video where he successfully adds in a headphone jack[1] to his iPhone 8. 2. No. Samsung phones are far more water resistant than iPhones are with a jack on it. I would love to see your links to said research. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA
    - dao- 8y ago
      Re: water resistance – Sony is pretty good there too, but last time I plunged my phone, the headphone jack itself was acting up until it had dried out. I guess there's no way around that. Edit: Oh, and when I broke my older model with saltwater, they replaced it. Twice.
    - matwood 8y ago
      > It's a marketing decision to push people to buy $170 airpods. Earbuds that work with the iPhone come in the box (and prior to the just announced models even an adapter was included). I'm not sure how lack of a jack pushes someone to buy AirPods. Maybe it makes them think about buying bluetooth headphones over wired if they were already thinking about third party headphones? Maybe. Also while you may disagree about the 'barometric vent', it was put in the space that the headphone jack would have taken. As pictured above, you can see a piece of plastic sits behind the ingress protection (waterproofing!), right where the headphone jack would have been. And (update!) according to Apple it's a "barometric vent." Apparently adding all the waterproofing to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus meant that it was more of a sealed box, and so to be able to have an accurate and working barometer, Apple used that space. The barometer is the thing that allows a phone to measure altitude, and Apple points out that on the iPhone 7 it can measure even minor changes like climbing a flight of stairs. https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/16/12941040/iphone-7-teardown-plastic-behind-where-headphone-jack-used-to-be https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/16/12941040/iphone-7-teardow...
      - freeone3000 8y ago
        I would rather have a headphone jack than a barometer.
        matwood 8y ago
        You may disagree how the space was used, but I wanted to point out that it was in fact used. The poster I responded to said tear downs showed it not used. Even the video given as evidence showed the guy taking out the vent as the first step.
        reaperducer 8y ago
        Wires are so last century. Bluetooth headphones have been available for at least 20 years. (I had a pair for my SonyEricsson m600c, and I'm not an early adopter.) Knowing my altitude is something I need on at least a weekly basis. I'm OK with losing a port I haven't used in a couple of decades.
    - matt-attack 8y ago
      > It's a marketing decision to push people to buy $170 airpods FWIW, my lack of headphone jack had nothing to do with me buying $170 airpods. The product sells itself. It literally felt like something out of the future when it launched. Opening and closing the lid makes me happy on a daily basis. I can't think of a better use for that $170. It's a product that is pure joy to use, and completely eliminates one of the biggest annoyance factor in my daily life: tangled headphones, and worse, that feeling on your ears when you accidentally tug earbuds that are in your ear. So frustrating!
    - briandear 8y ago
      They cost $160, but you can use the included headphones without buying anything.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      No. Teardowns have shown nothing of that sort. It's a marketing decision to push people to buy $170 airpods. In fact, there's a very popular tech blogger's video where he successfully adds in a headphone jack[1] to his iPhone 8. How are people being "pushed" to buy Airpods when they can use any Bluetooth headphone, the headphones that come bundled with the phone, or use their own headphones with a $9.99 adapter that they have included up until yesterday?
      - AndriyKunitsyn 8y ago
        Simple. There are multiple codecs in Bluetooth headphones, the most used one is proprietary aptX from Qualcomm. Apple has no problems licensing it for Macbooks and iMacs, but for iPhones they chose to reject Qualcomm, do their thing, and use AAC codec, which is supported only by small fraction of wireless headphones. https://darko.audio/2017/12/how-to-enable-aptx-hd-bluetooth-audio-on-your-iphone-ipad/ https://darko.audio/2017/12/how-to-enable-aptx-hd-bluetooth-... So, if your headphones don't support AAC, they will (most likely) fallback to SBC encoding with a subpar sound quality. Don't want a subpar sound quality? Buy Airpods. Or Beats. Or some other overpriced thing that understands AAC. There was some 100 year-old industry standard regarding sound transmission, but apparently it's "obsolete" now, because Apple said so. And bundled headphones don't sound too good. The removal of headphone jack was purely a political decision to spite Qualcomm and screwing over Apple's customers.
        scarface74 8y ago
        So now it’s a bad thing that Apple chose to support an industry standard (AAC) instead of a proprietary Qualcomm only protocol? But if you aren’t satisfied with the Apple wired headphones, up until the 12th Apple bundle an adapter, you could choose any wired headphones you wanted. After the 12” it would be $9.99. It’s still not forcing you to buy AirPods. As far as Bluetooth, there are other non Apple/Beats Bluetooth AAC headphones. Nothing forcing anyone to buy them from Apple.
  - dstryr 8y ago
    >> 1. There's really no space for it, if you look at teardowns. So something took its place. This guy was able to add the headphone jack back into an iPhone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA). The argument that there is really no space just isn't true.
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      …by ruining the Taptic Engine, if I recall correctly, or by spending thousands of dollars on getting this to work. It's not like Apple just left a hole in that spot out of spite.
      - dpkonofa 8y ago
        People who have some kind of weird hate for Apple always assume that everything Apple does is out of spite.
        saagarjha 8y ago
        Apple very rarely does things out of spite. And usually when that happens, it's a mistake rather than a conscious, malicious decision.
    - dpkonofa 8y ago
      By breaking the seals that make the phone waterproof, removing a housing component, and breaking the Taptic Engine. He did nothing of the sort.
  - noelsusman 8y ago
    The S9 has a higher waterproof rating than the iPhone X.
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close04 8y ago
That's why it's great if these thugs come with an [ON|OFF] switch. Let everyone decide what they use but start with secure as default.
emsy 8y ago
It’s most often not features I want change but features I want to have in the first place: Proper PWAs, NFC, wireless charging (things Android has for an while now). Self signed apps.

aeontech 8y ago

Can you give some examples? Things being broken in life is usually one or more of: - lack of time to implement (this would be great but we have three people on a team, and five features to deliver...) - lack of people who care enough and have the resources to fix it (this would be great, but manager has other priorities that are more important at the moment) - conscious choice as expression of philosophy or style (like flat UI) - conscious technical trade off (like on-device photo analysis) What are some of the things you think are wrong and would be easy to solve? Openradar links would be useful too :)

_jal 8y ago
So, my single biggest daily aggravation: I turn off bluetooth/wifi frequently.[1] There is no way to make the &%*#ing thing stop whining about lack of wifi - it literally waits until I'm trying to do something else to throw up a shitty dialog trying to annoy me into turning it on. I turn connectivity off for a reason, and no, Apple does not know better in this instance. It is incredibly user-hostile and irritating, and I hope the engineer that wrote that code gets pink eye[2]. [1] I know, I'm a weirdo. Trying to explain how I'm Doing It Wrong will lead me to ignore you. [2] I kid. It is really annoying, though.
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- saagarjha 8y ago
  Presumably, you're trying to do something that requires a network connection when it prompts you? If that's not a case the behavior is likely a bug.
- jaegerpicker 8y ago
  I don't think you are doing it wrong but in 90% of the cases that's on the app developer. The OS usually doesn't ask for wifi randomly but many apps do. They check for connectivity and if wifi isn't available they prompt the user. It's not hard code to write but it shouldn't be used often. I'm actually writing similar code right now but for a pretty good reason, I'm working a feature that might use the presence of a wifi network to indicate proximity to an IoT device.