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Its admirable what brave is trying to do. Practically speaking, its one of the best chance we have of creating a new internet where the incentives are more priv

by _red 8y ago

Its admirable what brave is trying to do. Practically speaking, its one of the best chance we have of creating a new internet where the incentives are more privacy focused. Hope they succeed.

snaky 8y ago
A new internet where $273 billion advertising industry does not exist?
- legatus 8y ago
  Can I ask what the amount of money that can be made has to do with this? First of all: they make a case against a particular type of advertising, not all of them. While I honestly believe an argument can be made against any type of advertisement, that's not what they're doing. Second: if an industry is based on immoral practices, what do we care if they make a lot of money? It's like saying "we should not go against slavery, it's a $X billions industry". If they make the money by using data the users did not know they were giving, then I don't care how much money they make: they should not be making it.
  - fixermark 8y ago
    Human weighting of incentive signals differs. "We should not go against slavery, it's an $X billions industry" isn't precisely how the US South thought about the problem, but ultimately they did go to war because they recognized that chnage in the status quo would bring utter economic ruin to a powerful sector of the populace with the political and social clout to goad the rest into war. So yeah, "That industry makes an awful lot of cash" is useful to factor into one's thought process when one tries to reason through how one could tear it down. If nothing else, it's a first-approximation barometer of how much people will spend to oppose your efforts.
    - bduerst 8y ago
      Slavery is a bad analogy. The increased buying power of the new consumers (freed slaves) is economically more beneficial than having them locked in as non-consumers (slaves).
    - legatus 8y ago
      Absolutely agree it gives an idea of what we're fighting. What I wanted to point out is that, whether or not they make a lot of money off of it, this fact should have no consequences on whether we allow it or not.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  A new internet where Brave gets a cut of the advertising, apparently. Yay?
- brandnewlow 8y ago
  A new internet where the major players continue making their money but have to adopt more consumer friendly practices.
Sephr 8y ago
They're so admirable that they take a 5% cut of your donations to sites you visit and replace ads with their own. Call me crazy, but in no future can I imagine anyone willingly paying their browser vendor for anything. Brave isn't the future, it's yet another cash grab. The real future is fully-decentralized websites, and it doesn't require new browsers. Edit: Fixed inaccuracy pointed out by Brave developer
- nohnce 8y ago
  It seems to me that a lot of tech companies do slightly shady things under the guise of social progress and what not. It's the gateway to market share, then "dominance" to dictate whatever they want. While challenging Google is important, it's a good PR move nonetheless. Brave is also built on top of Chromium. What ramifications that might have I'm not sure.
  - jonathansampson 8y ago
    Chromium is a tool; how you use it is up to you. Brave removes any parts that may phone-home to Google. At the end of the day though, Chromium is less important than the principles upon which the company is founded. With Brave vs Google, that's "Can't be evil" vs "Don't be evil". The difference is subtle, yet profound.
- atomical 8y ago
  The users are getting paid for browsing. Why wouldn't they want to be paid for browsing? They can use that to potentially pay for articles.
- snaky 8y ago
  Or maybe the future is regular users being annoyed by plain dumb advertising to stop clicking on them, bringing CTR down too much, and the industry finally try to use some information they got in a meaningful way and make advertising not that annoying and quite useful.
  - fixermark 8y ago

by _red 8y ago

Its admirable what brave is trying to do. Practically speaking, its one of the best chance we have of creating a new internet where the incentives are more privacy focused. Hope they succeed.

snaky 8y ago

A new internet where $273 billion advertising industry does not exist?

legatus 8y ago
Can I ask what the amount of money that can be made has to do with this? First of all: they make a case against a particular type of advertising, not all of them. While I honestly believe an argument can be made against any type of advertisement, that's not what they're doing. Second: if an industry is based on immoral practices, what do we care if they make a lot of money? It's like saying "we should not go against slavery, it's a $X billions industry". If they make the money by using data the users did not know they were giving, then I don't care how much money they make: they should not be making it.
- fixermark 8y ago
  Human weighting of incentive signals differs. "We should not go against slavery, it's an $X billions industry" isn't precisely how the US South thought about the problem, but ultimately they did go to war because they recognized that chnage in the status quo would bring utter economic ruin to a powerful sector of the populace with the political and social clout to goad the rest into war. So yeah, "That industry makes an awful lot of cash" is useful to factor into one's thought process when one tries to reason through how one could tear it down. If nothing else, it's a first-approximation barometer of how much people will spend to oppose your efforts.
  - bduerst 8y ago
    Slavery is a bad analogy. The increased buying power of the new consumers (freed slaves) is economically more beneficial than having them locked in as non-consumers (slaves).
  - legatus 8y ago
    Absolutely agree it gives an idea of what we're fighting. What I wanted to point out is that, whether or not they make a lot of money off of it, this fact should have no consequences on whether we allow it or not.
craftyguy 8y ago
A new internet where Brave gets a cut of the advertising, apparently. Yay?
brandnewlow 8y ago
A new internet where the major players continue making their money but have to adopt more consumer friendly practices.

Sephr 8y ago

They're so admirable that they take a 5% cut of your donations to sites you visit and replace ads with their own. Call me crazy, but in no future can I imagine anyone willingly paying their browser vendor for anything. Brave isn't the future, it's yet another cash grab. The real future is fully-decentralized websites, and it doesn't require new browsers. Edit: Fixed inaccuracy pointed out by Brave developer

nohnce 8y ago
It seems to me that a lot of tech companies do slightly shady things under the guise of social progress and what not. It's the gateway to market share, then "dominance" to dictate whatever they want. While challenging Google is important, it's a good PR move nonetheless. Brave is also built on top of Chromium. What ramifications that might have I'm not sure.
- jonathansampson 8y ago
  Chromium is a tool; how you use it is up to you. Brave removes any parts that may phone-home to Google. At the end of the day though, Chromium is less important than the principles upon which the company is founded. With Brave vs Google, that's "Can't be evil" vs "Don't be evil". The difference is subtle, yet profound.
atomical 8y ago
The users are getting paid for browsing. Why wouldn't they want to be paid for browsing? They can use that to potentially pay for articles.
snaky 8y ago
Or maybe the future is regular users being annoyed by plain dumb advertising to stop clicking on them, bringing CTR down too much, and the industry finally try to use some information they got in a meaningful way and make advertising not that annoying and quite useful.
- fixermark 8y ago