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What I don't understand is how companies with hundreds of deployments are still fine with crap like this? You can't disable updates. Computers are rebooted with

What I don't understand is how companies with hundreds of deployments are still fine with crap like this? You can't disable updates. Computers are rebooted without asking. It's ridiculous.

dhimes 8y ago
My guess is that for a fee you can avoid this shit.
- mavhc 8y ago
  Your standard Windows 10 options are Pro: Free but with ads, or Enterprise: Pay yearly to be able to remove ads
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - drbawb 8y ago
    >Your standard Windows 10 options are Pro . . . Oh how quaint. Do you have a Ryzen CPU? If so you're leaving performance on the table, because core complexes are internally implemented as NUMA nodes. Windows 10 Pro does not ship with a NUMA aware scheduler. If you want that you're looking at $300[1] for Windows 10 Pro for Workstations. -- Personally I would not consider Pro a "standard" option since it doesn't work w/ ~40%[2] of new CPUs sold. [1]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-10-pro-for-workstations/dg7gmgf0dw9s https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-10-pro-for-worksta... [2]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Intel-AMD-CPU-Market-Share_3.png https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Intel-AM...
    - lostmsu 8y ago
      I think that only applies to Threadripper. And I expect them to fix that.
    - mciancia 8y ago
      > Windows 10 Pro does not ship with a NUMA aware scheduler Any source of that? Link you provided only tells that Win10 pro for workstations support 4 socket configurations, nothing about numa
    - detaro 8y ago
      Do you have any source that Enterprise (or Server versions or ...) is better than Pro with Ryzen CPUs? All benchmarks I've seen show all Windows versions having issues with the Threadripper CPUs in NUMA mode. Which is kind of embarassing, but not a market segmentation thing. Unless I missed something?
    - mavhc 8y ago
      Not sure if all Ryzen CPUs use NUMA, just the Threadripper I thought, they're the ones with the option to act in UMA or NUMA mode, right? AMD do disagree that windows 10 scheduler is a problem, for standard Ryzen anyway https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-and-Windows-10-Scheduler-No-Silver-Bullet https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-and-Windo... Do you have benchmarks for the same cpu on Windows 10 Pro, Workstation and Server?
thejrk 8y ago
You use WSUS to control your updates and GPO's to control most everything else. It's not hard.
detaro 8y ago
Businesses don't use the Home version. The "higher" editions have more control, and in a business setting you can manage those settings centrally.
- pixl97 8y ago
  You mean the pro version.... Oops, sorry you need candy crush, you need the Enterprise version to get rid of that!
  - detaro 8y ago
    I have a Windows 10 Pro in front of me and not a trace of it, and I don't think I changed anything relevant after the initial setup and setting policies to get rid of crap. I wonder what the missing difference is... EDIT: I'm not using a Microsoft account, that might be it?
  - minedwiz 8y ago
    Not even enterprise gets rid of that crap.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
Lack of realistic alternatives mostly (surely someone will champion Linux here, that person is deluded). Someday, if MS keeps pushing this direction, the pain of dealing with another OS's shortcomings and differences will be outweighed, but we're not there yet. And we're not fine with it, we just can't do anything about it because Microsoft does not listen to complaints.
- jake_the_third 8y ago
  I'll be that deluded person here: we completely switched to using Linux at my workplace and never touched windows 10. Granted we're a software dev shop, but from what I've seen, realistic workable alternatives do exist. Cheers.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    Clearly you're not developing software for Windows, though. I'm guessing you're a small web startup or something. You don't have to deal with the workflows of corporate offices that have existed for 20 years.
    - invokestatic 8y ago
      Small startup here as well, but we target 95% Windows (going back all the way to XP) and we recently transitioned to a WSL Clang-based toolchain (linking against MSVCRT) so it would be feasible for someone to use a pure Linux environment for serious Windows development, although inconvenient because it is untestable.
      - LoSboccacc 8y ago
        If you target xp let them test under wine, win-win for everyon
        Narishma 8y ago
        And when you run into bugs, how do you know if it's an issue with your software, Wine or Windows XP?
mr_toad 8y ago
Depending which sources you believe a lot, possibility the majority, of companies are still running Windows 7.

What I don't understand is how companies with hundreds of deployments are still fine with crap like this? You can't disable updates. Computers are rebooted without asking. It's ridiculous.

dhimes 8y ago

My guess is that for a fee you can avoid this shit.

mavhc 8y ago
Your standard Windows 10 options are Pro: Free but with ads, or Enterprise: Pay yearly to be able to remove ads
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- drbawb 8y ago
  >Your standard Windows 10 options are Pro . . . Oh how quaint. Do you have a Ryzen CPU? If so you're leaving performance on the table, because core complexes are internally implemented as NUMA nodes. Windows 10 Pro does not ship with a NUMA aware scheduler. If you want that you're looking at $300[1] for Windows 10 Pro for Workstations. -- Personally I would not consider Pro a "standard" option since it doesn't work w/ ~40%[2] of new CPUs sold. [1]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-10-pro-for-workstations/dg7gmgf0dw9s https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-10-pro-for-worksta... [2]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Intel-AMD-CPU-Market-Share_3.png https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Intel-AM...
  - lostmsu 8y ago
    I think that only applies to Threadripper. And I expect them to fix that.
  - mciancia 8y ago
    > Windows 10 Pro does not ship with a NUMA aware scheduler Any source of that? Link you provided only tells that Win10 pro for workstations support 4 socket configurations, nothing about numa
  - detaro 8y ago
    Do you have any source that Enterprise (or Server versions or ...) is better than Pro with Ryzen CPUs? All benchmarks I've seen show all Windows versions having issues with the Threadripper CPUs in NUMA mode. Which is kind of embarassing, but not a market segmentation thing. Unless I missed something?
  - mavhc 8y ago
    Not sure if all Ryzen CPUs use NUMA, just the Threadripper I thought, they're the ones with the option to act in UMA or NUMA mode, right? AMD do disagree that windows 10 scheduler is a problem, for standard Ryzen anyway https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-and-Windows-10-Scheduler-No-Silver-Bullet https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-and-Windo... Do you have benchmarks for the same cpu on Windows 10 Pro, Workstation and Server?

thejrk 8y ago

You use WSUS to control your updates and GPO's to control most everything else. It's not hard.

detaro 8y ago

Businesses don't use the Home version. The "higher" editions have more control, and in a business setting you can manage those settings centrally.

pixl97 8y ago
You mean the pro version.... Oops, sorry you need candy crush, you need the Enterprise version to get rid of that!
- detaro 8y ago
  I have a Windows 10 Pro in front of me and not a trace of it, and I don't think I changed anything relevant after the initial setup and setting policies to get rid of crap. I wonder what the missing difference is... EDIT: I'm not using a Microsoft account, that might be it?
- minedwiz 8y ago
  Not even enterprise gets rid of that crap.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago

Lack of realistic alternatives mostly (surely someone will champion Linux here, that person is deluded). Someday, if MS keeps pushing this direction, the pain of dealing with another OS's shortcomings and differences will be outweighed, but we're not there yet. And we're not fine with it, we just can't do anything about it because Microsoft does not listen to complaints.

jake_the_third 8y ago
I'll be that deluded person here: we completely switched to using Linux at my workplace and never touched windows 10. Granted we're a software dev shop, but from what I've seen, realistic workable alternatives do exist. Cheers.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  Clearly you're not developing software for Windows, though. I'm guessing you're a small web startup or something. You don't have to deal with the workflows of corporate offices that have existed for 20 years.
  - invokestatic 8y ago
    Small startup here as well, but we target 95% Windows (going back all the way to XP) and we recently transitioned to a WSL Clang-based toolchain (linking against MSVCRT) so it would be feasible for someone to use a pure Linux environment for serious Windows development, although inconvenient because it is untestable.
    - LoSboccacc 8y ago
      If you target xp let them test under wine, win-win for everyon
      - Narishma 8y ago
        And when you run into bugs, how do you know if it's an issue with your software, Wine or Windows XP?

mr_toad 8y ago

Depending which sources you believe a lot, possibility the majority, of companies are still running Windows 7.