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I think the mods should modify the title to indicate that this applies only to the insider build (so far).

by Flimm 8y ago

cptskippy 8y ago
Should they? You're technically correct but... 1) All the Microsoft haters are going to latch on to this and cite it as an example of how truly evil is regardless. 2) It might stir the pot enough to encourage Microsoft to reconsider.
- admax88q 8y ago
  So we should be intentionally misleading because it might rile people up to take action that we want? Almost like how Fox News has intentionally misleading news to rile up conservatives?
  - cptskippy 8y ago
    Isn't becoming hostile and outraged the norm these days as response to just about anything you disagree with?
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  > 1) All the Microsoft haters are going to latch on to this and cite it as an example of how truly evil is regardless. I don't understand. Why should this not be cited? They shipped this code to their customers. A limited release doesn't mean it unhappened.
  - cptskippy 8y ago
    Those customers signed up for it. It wasn't a random sampling. It's similar to running a Firefox Nightly or being part of an open Beta. Microsoft's Insider program is an opt in where you get to try out potential features. There's a history of features being pulled from the channel, their Sets feature was pulled in June.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      That's a fine reason to discount bugs, and realize nothing is set in stone. But this is an intentional feature, and the problem is the intent itself.
mikro2nd 8y ago
Original submitter here. Yes, this was a thought/concern when I submitted the article. Upon some reflection I went with: 1. HN guidelines stating, "Don't editorialise titles," and 2. The article itself is quite upfront on the issue - it's not like they tried to bury it or mislead (arguably except for the borderline headline), and 3. It does tell us, in no uncertain terms, that at least some coterie within MS is thinking of doing this thing. My guess is that this inside build functionality was deliberately leaked to test the waters, see whether anyone would care. Could the headline have been better? Probably. Should we be concerned when the veil momentarily pulls aside and we glimpse the real MS behind the New Shiny Friendly MS mask? Certainly.
- dang 8y ago
  Just for reference (and thanks for remembering the guideline about not editorializing—if only everyone would!) it's ok to edit a title to make it less misleading. That would be the guideline behind adding "insider build" in this case. When editing like that, it's best to use representative language from the article itself. We're good on that here too, since "insider build" appears in the first paragraph. I don't actually know what an insider build is, btw.
  - majewsky 8y ago
    "Insider build", afaik, is MS's term for "nightly build". Like a permanent beta-test program that you can opt into in the Windows Update settings dialog.
    - pvg 8y ago
      It's their current terminology for their widely-available, public early-access programs for all sorts of products. They are not completely unqualified builds like a a nightly build would be. That would break all the things.
dang 8y ago
That seems reasonable. Added above.

I think the mods should modify the title to indicate that this applies only to the insider build (so far).

by Flimm 8y ago

I think the mods should modify the title to indicate that this applies only to the insider build (so far).

Should they? You're technically correct but... 1) All the Microsoft haters are going to latch on to this and cite it as an example of how truly evil is regardless. 2) It might stir the pot enough to encourage Microsoft to reconsider.

admax88q 8y ago
So we should be intentionally misleading because it might rile people up to take action that we want? Almost like how Fox News has intentionally misleading news to rile up conservatives?
- cptskippy 8y ago
  Isn't becoming hostile and outraged the norm these days as response to just about anything you disagree with?
Dylan16807 8y ago
> 1) All the Microsoft haters are going to latch on to this and cite it as an example of how truly evil is regardless. I don't understand. Why should this not be cited? They shipped this code to their customers. A limited release doesn't mean it unhappened.
- cptskippy 8y ago
  Those customers signed up for it. It wasn't a random sampling. It's similar to running a Firefox Nightly or being part of an open Beta. Microsoft's Insider program is an opt in where you get to try out potential features. There's a history of features being pulled from the channel, their Sets feature was pulled in June.
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    That's a fine reason to discount bugs, and realize nothing is set in stone. But this is an intentional feature, and the problem is the intent itself.

mikro2nd 8y ago

Original submitter here. Yes, this was a thought/concern when I submitted the article. Upon some reflection I went with: 1. HN guidelines stating, "Don't editorialise titles," and 2. The article itself is quite upfront on the issue - it's not like they tried to bury it or mislead (arguably except for the borderline headline), and 3. It does tell us, in no uncertain terms, that at least some coterie within MS is thinking of doing this thing. My guess is that this inside build functionality was deliberately leaked to test the waters, see whether anyone would care. Could the headline have been better? Probably. Should we be concerned when the veil momentarily pulls aside and we glimpse the real MS behind the New Shiny Friendly MS mask? Certainly.

dang 8y ago
Just for reference (and thanks for remembering the guideline about not editorializing—if only everyone would!) it's ok to edit a title to make it less misleading. That would be the guideline behind adding "insider build" in this case. When editing like that, it's best to use representative language from the article itself. We're good on that here too, since "insider build" appears in the first paragraph. I don't actually know what an insider build is, btw.
- majewsky 8y ago
  "Insider build", afaik, is MS's term for "nightly build". Like a permanent beta-test program that you can opt into in the Windows Update settings dialog.
  - pvg 8y ago
    It's their current terminology for their widely-available, public early-access programs for all sorts of products. They are not completely unqualified builds like a a nightly build would be. That would break all the things.

dang 8y ago

That seems reasonable. Added above.