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Ericsson and T-Mobile ink $3.5B deal for 5G
- xattt 8y agoIs there a specific 5G standard? In comparison to 3G which had CDMA2000 and UMTS, there seems to be mutlitude of unnamed standards.
- crudbug 8y agoIt is like virtualization of air interface. Multiple standards with different metrics.
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- phoe-krk 8y agohttp://www.3gpp.org/news-events/3gpp-news/1929-nsa_nr_5g http://www.3gpp.org/news-events/3gpp-news/1929-nsa_nr_5g
- mdani 8y agoYes, there is a set of 3GPP specs that define 5G standard. Slicing of the network to provide low latency is one of the highlights. There are open source implementations such as openCORD that target the same goals.
- unit91 8y agoITU IMT-2020, though I can't seem to find the actual text. Secondary sources: https://news.itu.int/5g-update-new-itu-standards-network-softwarization-fixed-mobile-convergence/ https://news.itu.int/5g-update-new-itu-standards-network-sof... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G
- fuzzyset 8y ago4G mobile standard was LTE from 3GPP, which competed against WiMax from IEEE and won in the late 00s. 5G mobile standard is NR (stands for New Radio) from 3GPP. There is no competing mobile standard from anyone else. Biggest change compared to LTE is the formal standard for millimeter wave communication for mobile. Previously it's been used for fixed wireless access and/or satellites. We'll see how it plays out in a mobile consumer environment.
- wcfields 8y agoThere’s been rumblings in the BUD (big ugly dish) community that 5G will start to ruin C-Band for TRO (TV Recieve Only). Most birds are going mostly Ku but C-Band is used for backhaul & feeds on a lot of soon to be retired: Galaxy & AMC series. For Amatuer Dx’ing C-Band offers way more unencrypted and English channels than Ku. There’s way more weird channels too. I just pickuped an old 8ft Dish for free off Craigslist simply to watch North Korean TV. From what I gather one will need a much larger dish for C-Band in the US to overcome spectral interference or that it will pretty much put an end to C-band in the US. https://www.multichannel.com/news/fcc-votes-to-open-c-band-for-wireless-broadband https://www.multichannel.com/news/fcc-votes-to-open-c-band-f... https://spacenews.com/fcc-votes-to-open-c-band-for-5g/ https://spacenews.com/fcc-votes-to-open-c-band-for-5g/
- toomuchtodo 8y agoIs anyone distributing C-band reception from RF quiet locations over IP?
- lev99 8y agoIf they are I'm sure they are quiet about it. They wouldn't have distribution rights. Bandwidth costs would be high.
- namibj 8y agoThere is such a thing as torrent though. Make initial reputation come from e.g. some crypto mining sufficient to fund the bandwidth costs from loosing the block to an uncooperative peer, and then handle reputation based on share ratio, either theoretical or measured.
- floatboth 8y agoSo "long term evolution" turned out to not be so long term? :D
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- wyldfire 8y ago3gpp release-15 describes parts of what they're calling 5G [1]. And no AFAICT it's not finalized, there's a lot under this umbrella. IIRC fixed/terrestrial wireless (at 60GHz?) is part of what's referred to as '5G'. [1] http://www.3gpp.org/release-15 http://www.3gpp.org/release-15
- Nokinside 8y agoYes. 5G New Radio (NR) is the global standard for a unified 5G wireless air interface. It was ratified some time ago. This allows investments to hardware. The standardization efforts continue and they add functionality and more interfaces for specialized services and applications. For example: Multimedia Priority Service, Vehicle-to-everything (V2X) application layer services, 5G satellite access, Local Area Network support in 5G, terminal positioning and location and lots of other service interfaces. 5G will be much more than just 4G LTE with steroids.
- ofcrpls 8y agoThose are two separate technology standards. 3GPP2 evolution got merged and we came down to a single "4G" standard with the LTE air interface. It borrowed a lot from WiFi's adoption of OFDMA that allowed a lot of the bandwidth increases. 5G evolution on the air interface though significant, are just an extension of that, using higher frequency bands. But where the meat of 5G lies is in expanding on the legwork done in LTE specs in preparation for IoT. It brings in the ability for multi-bandwidth, multi-reliability and multi-latency applications and SDN paradigms. "Kubernetes for the Network" kind of terms are being thrown about. Initial deployments though will focus on "FTTH replacement" scenarios.
- dkonofalski 8y agoSomeone correct me if I'm wrong but won't this put Verizon in the opposite situation that they're in now? Doesn't Verizon have coverage in most places because they were able to build early and keep their old CDMA towers in place? With the change to 5G aren't all the LTE/GSM carriers now in a better place to update to 5G? Won't this actually cause Verizon to require huge network and infrastructure upgrades?
- Shelnutt2 8y agoThe move away from CDMA happened with LTE. LTE required a complete network upgrade to add in the eNodeBs to supplement the BTS (basestations) from the CDMA world. 5G (3gpp rev 15 or newer) does require new hardware but a lot of networks have been planning for this. Sprint has been rolling out new MIMO capable antennas for use with 5g. Verizon similarly has been future proofing before the standard was finished. There will be new equipment required no matter what though. Especially with Verizon pushing millimeter in cities.
- nickserv 8y agoGood news for Erlang? I hope some of those dollars go to improving the language and VM.
- lytedev 8y agoAnd, by extension, Elixir!
- rdtsc 8y agoHere is a video of Joe Armstrong from React 2014 conference where in the intro he describes how Erlang is used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQIE22e0cW8&t=590 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQIE22e0cW8&t=590 TL;DL: If Erlang breaks so does cat picture sharing for more than 50% of world's smart phones.
- signa11 8y ago> Good news for Erlang? ... not sure if radio was using erlang to begin with. on the epc-core i.e. mme/pgw/sgw probably...
- abledon 8y agoHave mercy, Think of the infants skulls!
- cellularmitosis 8y agoGreat. Now I'll be able to use up my monthly data in 2 minutes instead of 10 minutes. Edit: I don't mean to poo-poo the advance of tech, but this really highlights the disconnect between what's possible and what consumers actually want/value.
- lylecubed 8y agoT-Mobile still has an unlimited plan, right?
- pjm331 8y agoyup
- emodendroket 8y agoI'm assuming that, like most "unlimited" plans, it includes substantial data caps after the first few GB.
- lylecubed 8y agoThey increased it last year from 32GB to 50GB a month. Frankly, I think even a 50GB cap on an "unlimited" plan should be illegal, but it's better than most carriers. https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16334690/t-mobile-unlimited-data-cap-increase-32gb-50gb-deprioritization https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16334690/t-mobile-unlimit...
- asdkhadsj 8y agoI just wish they'd stop selling unlimited. Everyone. I want to pay for my bytes, and I want you (carriers) to give me the service I pay for, at an guaranteed rate. A SLA, basically. Consumers get shafted on these deals. We pay for products with no agreement over what we're actually going to get. It gets tiring :/
- rayiner 8y ago
- ksec 8y agoThis is good news as it kept Ericsson on the battle field. Nokia is looking a lot worst though may be it will merge with Ericsson some day. In terms of telecom equipment industry Huawei is now bigger than Nokia and Ericsson combined. And may be I am the only one not entirely comfortable with that.
- hourislate 8y agoIt seems they are using both companies to build out their network. T-Mobile and Nokia Ink $3.5 Billion, Multi-year 5G Network Agreement https://www.t-mobile.com/news/nokia-5g-agreement https://www.t-mobile.com/news/nokia-5g-agreement
- NKosmatos 8y ago"don't put all your eggs in one basket" There is a reason most vendors pick from 2 or more manufacturers/suppliers.
- tormeh 8y agoI've long wondered if the best way to buy software may be to just buy from multiple vendors and see what works best, damned the purchase costs, just to fix the information asymmetry.
- signa11 8y agowell, if you are on the buy side, you can have the vendor demonstrate interop via rfp etc. that might be one way to go about it...
- astrowilliam 8y agoWhy are you concerned about Huawei being bigger?
- josho 8y agoI suspect because it is a Chinese company and having key national infrastructure built by a Chinese company leaves some Americans nervous over national security fears. This article goes into more detail https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/why-america-is-so-scared-of-china’s-biggest-tech-company/ar-BBKCPTe https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/why-america-is-so-...
- dsl 8y agoThe real kicker is the last line. T-mobile can software upgrade its LTE equipment to 5G: > The partnership with Ericsson means that T-Mobile’s already installed base of Ericsson Radio System radios will be able to run 5G NR with a remote software installation.
- StudentStuff 8y agoEricsson was/is Intel's large foundry client, but with the 10nm delays and 14nm being thoroughly booked with x86-64 and LTE modems for Apple, there isn't room for Ericsson to produce new chips on modern nodes. Worse yet, I hear Ericsson designed specifically for Intel 10nm, which leaves them up a creek for the next few years. A firmware update to make existing hardware have a longer lifespan and help Ericsson to retain their clients was likely the only out here. If Ericsson had the new chips they were planning on, this firmware update would be much more expensive and less probable to actually see carriers taking them up on it.
- ksec 8y ago>Ericsson was/is Intel's large foundry client That is actually Nokia. Not Ericsson
- kingosticks 8y agoDo either of you have an actual source?
- StudentStuff 8y agoDefinitely! https://semiaccurate.com/2018/07/02/intel-custom-foundrys-10nm-meltdown-is-crushing-a-20b-market-cap-tech-giant/ https://semiaccurate.com/2018/07/02/intel-custom-foundrys-10...
- kingosticks 8y agoNowhere there does it actually confirm that it's Nokia or Ericsson (or anyone else for that matter).