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> How dare educators attempt to entertain? The content is harder to read and to follow, and concepts aren't as accessible. Even if it's an attempt at entertain

> How dare educators attempt to entertain? The content is harder to read and to follow, and concepts aren't as accessible. Even if it's an attempt at entertaining, this project falls very short of serving any educational purpose.

vaer-k 8y ago
I really hate when people pretend their opinion is fact
- geezerjay 8y ago
  You are free to interpret my comment as an isolated opinion and disregard it as a baseless assertion, but you'd be repeating the age old mistake of disregarding user opinions when evaluating user interfaces. Personally I believe that paying attention to user grievences, particularly when they are very recurrent and objective, is the smart thing to do and the fastest path to develop adequate products. If you feel you're better served by ignoring recurrent and needless mistakes and insist on repeating them then be my guest.
- yesenadam 8y ago
  I really hate when people assume bad faith like that. What you did there is akin to calling a falsehood a lie. Although this is accusing people of deliberately lying to themselves or something.
  - erezyehuda 8y ago
    I'm sorry to say it, but that framing actually makes me see more merit in the comment you're responding to, when I didn't much before. I'm of the opinion that people do deliberately lie to themselves, quite regularly. To me, it's a fundamental part of cognitive dissonance. Whether it applies here, I don't know, but now I have to consider it.
    - yesenadam 8y ago
      :-) Sure, I agree. We don't know. The comment I was replying to snarkily and passively-aggressively (said it without saying it) assumed he knew for sure (I won't say 'pretended to know'). But it was ironically more certainly what they were accusing the other of, presenting opinion as fact, than what the other was doing, as another commenter already noted. Also it was hostile in tone. If I, for example, thought you were being too silly, compare writing "I think you're being too silly" with writing "I really hate when people are too silly." It begs the question, and in a hostile way. He wasn't talking to the person but snidely about them.
      - erezyehuda 8y ago
        Yeah, I definitely get what you mean. I try to see if there's merit in what people say, even on occasions where they forgot their manners at home (as I've done plenty), but in this case, they didn't bother to justify anything here. It makes me think there wasn't really much thought behind it past the craving to be rude.
        vaer-k 8y ago
        Or, I just don't like when people summarily dismiss and deride things that don't personally appeal to them, even when others find value in it. I think it's hard to justify calling my direct response passive, regardless of how it was phrased, but if it makes you all feel better to defend the bullies go right on ahead.
- longerthoughts 8y ago
  Would you propose that we all precede subjective statements with "in my opinion..."? In my opinion, it is your opinion that the parent posted their opinion as fact. In my opinion, it is clear that the parent was simply asserting their opinion, as demonstrated by your accurate (in my opinion) recognition of their opinion as an opinion.
ygjb 8y ago
> The content is harder to read and to follow, and concepts aren't as accessible. For you. It can be difficult sometimes, but it's very important when evaluating content proposed as educational to ignore personal knowledge and experience on a topic and focus on the learning outcomes desired by the authors of training material, and not impose our own expectations and biases.
- txcwpalpha 8y ago
  I'd have to agree with the parent. And it has nothing to do with personal knowledge/experience/expectations/biases. The linked 'comic' is bad in ways that I think many people would agree on. I'm not talking about the content or even the "cutesy" style, but the layout/formatting itself. The lack of space or separating lines between the panels makes it quite difficult to follow the chronological order of the story. The font used for dialog is atrocious. And the harsh colors all placed on top of a stark white background isn't easy on the eyes. These are things that all detract from any possible learning outcomes, no matter what they are. I think a lot of people in this thread are arguing that 'cutesy style = bad', but I think the real reason they might be thinking that is because it's actually just this particular instance of cutesy style is bad.
  - ygjb 8y ago
    > The lack of space or separating lines between the panels makes it quite difficult to follow the chronological order of the story. I agree on the need for lines to delineate between panels. As for the order of the story, it is written in English, and like most comics or visual presentation materials is organized in a left to right, top to bottom layout. The font used is not great, but it is a sans serif font, and while not designed specifically to be accessible to dyslexic folks, I find it easier to read than many other sans serif fonts, in part owing to the distinctive shape of each of the glyphs. I would prefer more spacing between the letters, but to be fair, I only made that observation after I turned off my letter-spacing:2px user-style You say harsh colors on white background, I say high contrast is very valuable to me as someone who is dyslexic - I find high contrast content easier to consume.
- scrollaway 8y ago

vaer-k 8y ago

I really hate when people pretend their opinion is fact

geezerjay 8y ago
You are free to interpret my comment as an isolated opinion and disregard it as a baseless assertion, but you'd be repeating the age old mistake of disregarding user opinions when evaluating user interfaces. Personally I believe that paying attention to user grievences, particularly when they are very recurrent and objective, is the smart thing to do and the fastest path to develop adequate products. If you feel you're better served by ignoring recurrent and needless mistakes and insist on repeating them then be my guest.
yesenadam 8y ago
I really hate when people assume bad faith like that. What you did there is akin to calling a falsehood a lie. Although this is accusing people of deliberately lying to themselves or something.
- erezyehuda 8y ago
  I'm sorry to say it, but that framing actually makes me see more merit in the comment you're responding to, when I didn't much before. I'm of the opinion that people do deliberately lie to themselves, quite regularly. To me, it's a fundamental part of cognitive dissonance. Whether it applies here, I don't know, but now I have to consider it.
  - yesenadam 8y ago
    :-) Sure, I agree. We don't know. The comment I was replying to snarkily and passively-aggressively (said it without saying it) assumed he knew for sure (I won't say 'pretended to know'). But it was ironically more certainly what they were accusing the other of, presenting opinion as fact, than what the other was doing, as another commenter already noted. Also it was hostile in tone. If I, for example, thought you were being too silly, compare writing "I think you're being too silly" with writing "I really hate when people are too silly." It begs the question, and in a hostile way. He wasn't talking to the person but snidely about them.
    - erezyehuda 8y ago
      Yeah, I definitely get what you mean. I try to see if there's merit in what people say, even on occasions where they forgot their manners at home (as I've done plenty), but in this case, they didn't bother to justify anything here. It makes me think there wasn't really much thought behind it past the craving to be rude.
      - vaer-k 8y ago
        Or, I just don't like when people summarily dismiss and deride things that don't personally appeal to them, even when others find value in it. I think it's hard to justify calling my direct response passive, regardless of how it was phrased, but if it makes you all feel better to defend the bullies go right on ahead.
longerthoughts 8y ago
Would you propose that we all precede subjective statements with "in my opinion..."? In my opinion, it is your opinion that the parent posted their opinion as fact. In my opinion, it is clear that the parent was simply asserting their opinion, as demonstrated by your accurate (in my opinion) recognition of their opinion as an opinion.

ygjb 8y ago

> The content is harder to read and to follow, and concepts aren't as accessible. For you. It can be difficult sometimes, but it's very important when evaluating content proposed as educational to ignore personal knowledge and experience on a topic and focus on the learning outcomes desired by the authors of training material, and not impose our own expectations and biases.

txcwpalpha 8y ago
I'd have to agree with the parent. And it has nothing to do with personal knowledge/experience/expectations/biases. The linked 'comic' is bad in ways that I think many people would agree on. I'm not talking about the content or even the "cutesy" style, but the layout/formatting itself. The lack of space or separating lines between the panels makes it quite difficult to follow the chronological order of the story. The font used for dialog is atrocious. And the harsh colors all placed on top of a stark white background isn't easy on the eyes. These are things that all detract from any possible learning outcomes, no matter what they are. I think a lot of people in this thread are arguing that 'cutesy style = bad', but I think the real reason they might be thinking that is because it's actually just this particular instance of cutesy style is bad.
- ygjb 8y ago
  > The lack of space or separating lines between the panels makes it quite difficult to follow the chronological order of the story. I agree on the need for lines to delineate between panels. As for the order of the story, it is written in English, and like most comics or visual presentation materials is organized in a left to right, top to bottom layout. The font used is not great, but it is a sans serif font, and while not designed specifically to be accessible to dyslexic folks, I find it easier to read than many other sans serif fonts, in part owing to the distinctive shape of each of the glyphs. I would prefer more spacing between the letters, but to be fair, I only made that observation after I turned off my letter-spacing:2px user-style You say harsh colors on white background, I say high contrast is very valuable to me as someone who is dyslexic - I find high contrast content easier to consume.
scrollaway 8y ago